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| victor | Jul 14 2011, 04:42 AM Post #11 |
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IT is not true.. by ratio of human/equipment you can equate that the navy has the biggest budget followed by airforce and then the army. Maybe perception wise because we are dealing with ISO. |
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| spearhead | Jul 14 2011, 05:39 AM Post #12 |
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The man is so right about this over budget army. 100,000 vs 4,000 + NPA, and that they dont even have to fight these communist guerillas? It's so true that PNP-SAF can actually try to combat this alone with just some support from the army, while PAF and PN can indeed focus on external threats. |
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| spearhead | Jul 14 2011, 05:43 AM Post #13 |
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The AFP should really be reorganized. Like what i have proposed before, reduce the army to just about 30,000 foot soldiers and increase the budget to Navy and airforce. The AFP should be Navy-centered and NOT army. They actually need more marines because of the geographical layout of the philippines, and a lot of warships. I totally agree with that former airforce pilot. |
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| Dodgeball | Jul 14 2011, 01:01 PM Post #14 |
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I think we're better of dissolving the AFP and not centering the entire military on one branch. The-end state of this would be three military branches (Army, Navy, and Air Force) coequals under the DND. In short, let's scrap the CSAFP and unified commands and reform the "force-provider force-employer concept". I am asserting a simplified military organization with no redundancies. Because as I can see today, the military is "top-heavy" with army generals. What I had in mind is, since the AFP is Army centered ever since, let's first remove the PAF and PN from the AFP. Aftwards, we can reform the AFP as "The Philippine Army". As for the excessive infantry divisions, let us disband them in place of the already existing Area Commands. While previously the PA fights with 10 territorially-fixed divisions, now the PA will fight with 7 territorially fixed area commands (NOLCOM, WESCOM, CENTCOM, etc). Each area command is to be led by a major general and controls a number of modular combat units such as brigade combat teams (BCT). Here's what I envision for the Army's organization after the AFP is dissolved: Army HQ Northern Luzon Command (NOLCOM) National Capital Region Command (NCRCOM) Southern Luzon Command (SOLCOM) Western Command (WESCOM) Central Command (CENTCOM) Western Mindanao Command (WESMINCOM) Eastern Mindanao Command (EASMINCOM) Note that each area command is a division-sized formation. Each of these area commands controls a number of modular brigade combat teams (BCT), roaming around their parent command's area of responsibility, engaging the enemy. Should the need for more reinforcements arises, just add more BCTs. Also, the Army ought to have type commands such as an Army Air Command, equipped mostly witht helicopters. It functions much like today's PALAD which provides armor battalions to the divisions. -- The PAF and PN are to be separate and coequal branches under the DND. The PAF concentrates on its doctrines of air defense while the Navy on its own business. I also suggest each service has its own military academy. From what I have heard and read, the PMA is Army-centered too. |
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| Dodgeball | Jul 14 2011, 01:06 PM Post #15 |
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With this I am asserting that all helicopter assets of the PAF be transferred to the Army, because PAF helicopters are somehow mostly used in support of the Army. This leaves the Air Force with fewer concerns. One of them, and the most important, will be air defense. No more tactical insertion of troops and supplies by helicopters. However, the PAF will still provide strategic and tactical airlift for everyone in the military community. Technically, the PAF will handle all fixed-wing planes while the Army will have an all-helicopter air arm. |
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| Tronco(RES) | Jul 15 2011, 05:25 AM Post #16 |
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of course it won't center its attention at the Army. It would only take logic to find it so. The threat to our security since time immemorial have always been insurgencies so where to put the gold? In the Army of course since they are in the front lines in fighting insurgency. Would be stupid to invest in the navy when our security threat was internal and not external for several decades. |
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| Dodgeball | Jul 15 2011, 11:59 AM Post #17 |
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Ok, so now that our insurgencies are fading away and the issue of China being a potential enemy, it's about time to reorganize our forces from one that focuses on counterinsurgency to one that focuses on external defense but still has the capability to fight internal security threats. The idea behind my proposition of dissolving the AFP is the separation of responsibilities and the equal allocation of funds. Separation of responsibilities allows the branches to "mind their own business". The Air Force for instance will only concern itself on protecting the airspace instead of providing tactical air support to the Army at the same time. With that, the Air Force will be structured mainly for air defense. The Air Force, as coequal to the Army and Navy, can directly lobby to congress the funds it needs, unlike in today's setting where the PAF lobbies to the Army general CSAFP who then lobbies to congress. When funds are provided to the CSAFP, a lot of the money goes to the Army and the PAF gets a little of it. |
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| iced_man21 | Jul 25 2011, 02:53 PM Post #18 |
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Do you really know how the budgeting process works? Do you think the CSAFP would really be stupid to overlook the other branches of service under him, when he is in fact responsible for what they do or fail to do? I have not heard of a leader who would allow such a thing to happen. And what about now, is it not that the current CSAFP is an Air Force General? The Army, Navy, and Airforce are co-equal under the AFP. No doubt about it. If not, then the PA and the PN will just ignore the current chief os staff considering that he is from the airforce and not equal with them. You people are trying to say that you want to reduce cost and personnel requirements. Do you think by separating the three branches of service we will be saving a lot? And we will have fewer generals? Right now, we have only one four star, the CSAFP. If and when we break up the AFP, don't you think the heads of the airforce and the navy as well as the army won't want become four star generals? Just like the PNP has one four star? So instead of having only one 4 star general, we will be having three, definitely more costly. And to justify their ranks, they will increase their services' personnel and rank requirements. Do you get what I'm saying? |
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| Tronco(RES) | Jul 27 2011, 07:09 AM Post #19 |
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That would be the greatest mistake. If we dismantle the AFP then who will coordinate each command in times of war? They would just do as each other wish and also each branch would try to show off. The AFP is there so that all the service can move as one and be ordered as one. |
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| iced_man21 | Jul 27 2011, 04:02 PM Post #20 |
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<!--QuoteBegin-+----></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE ( @ --)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'><!--QuoteEBegin--> That would be the greatest mistake. If we dismantle the AFP then who will coordinate each command in times of war? They would just do as each other wish and also each branch would try to show off. The AFP is there so that all the service can move as one and be ordered as one. [/QUOTE] Exactly. The DND is a civilian agency. It has no capability to effectively command and control three separate branches of military service. Yes, civilian authority is supreme, but leave the fighting and the quick decisive decision making that is necessary for waging war to those who are actually trained for it. Imagine how we would fight our wars if it has to be approved by a committee that will have to wait for a recommendation from a collegiate body that is only present during office hours. The DND is only a supervisory body. It plans and outlines the administrative requirements of the AFP. Lets leave it at that.. |
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