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US hesitates on Philippine arms
Topic Started: Jul 2 2011, 12:39 PM (3,767 Views)
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Jul 3 2011, 08:36 PM
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China’s reliance on exports and a controlled currency for growth, for instance, will no longer work if US consumers are engaged in a chronic saving spree, as I believe they will be. Chinese export growth, which averaged 21 percent per year in the last decade, is bound to suffer.

The country’s seemingly inexhaustible pool of cheap labor is expected to peak in 2014, in part due to its rigid one-child policy. By some estimates, ample labor has boosted GDP growth by 1.8 percentage points annually since the late 1970s, but the contraction of the working-age population will reduce growth by 0.7 percentage points by 2030.

Wages are already rising, and even Chinese manufacturers are moving production to Vietnam and Pakistan, where pay levels are a third of China’s. Some factory workers have seen wage increases of 20 percent to 30 percent in the last year or so, with those producing goods for foreign companies seeing especially large boosts. At the same time, better conditions in rural areas have reduced the flow of cheap labor into coastal cities.

hahahaha

I was right.

The US together with EU and UK can deliver a counter-punch.

They can crush China's economy by dumping its exports and moving their investments to Africa, South East Asia, the Middle East, South America and anywhere but the Big Bully China.

When that happens, the economy of China will collapse and its finances even it if has 2 trillion US dollars in reserve would simply be exhausted because of the massive operational cost it has to sustain. That includes its Armed Forces and infrastructure and govt bureaucracy.

It will send its people to another starvation.

The hardest problem is that it's wages are starting to lose competitiveness. They are now beginning to outsource production in Vietnam and Pakistan.

China can only save itself if it will maintain good relations with its neighbors. Its neighbors will somehow support the healthy flow of economic trade.

Kidding aside, im looking at driving China to confront the US by stimulating the war in the Spratly's.

We can even sink their fishing vessels and then blame China for the aggression. Then we can ask the US and the world to denounce China's bullying and enforce a trade embargo.

If that happens, they might end up like what Hitler did or that japanese emperor during world war II.... :armyLol:
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There are 2 nations that remain superpowers.

US and UK.

They say it's something Biblical.

China despite being a giant and a very old nation (and many dynasties have controlled it) remains a poor performer compared to the two.

This is because evil like greed has its burdens that drag itself down.
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It's the US, UK, and Europe that transformed China's economic boom for trading - buying their products and moving their product assembly in China because of cheap labor next to nothing. It has a large impact on China's revenue. Instituting a stiff control on China's export to US, UK and Europe, China's economy will surely be in sticky situation.
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not really.

the US and UK helped start China's economy.

but now China's cheap products are being dumped into the US and UK.

what the US and UK must do is gradually lessen their trade investments in China and move their business elsewhere.

this will lessen China's bullying.

right now, China is not just bullying RP but it is bullying the US and other countries by trying to grip the US economy and that of other countries.
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Jul 5 2011, 01:48 AM
not really.

the US and UK helped start China's economy.

but now China's cheap products are being dumped into the US and UK.

what the US and UK must do is gradually lessen their trade investments in China and move their business elsewhere.

this will lessen China's bullying.

right now, China is not just bullying RP but it is bullying the US and other countries by trying to grip the US economy and that of other countries.

Thats right. you got it at the nipple dude.
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Trade was welcomed with China in an effort to improve the standards of living and expectations of the average person in China. The West hoped that this increase in Capitalism and growth of a middle class would eventually lead to greater political freedoms thus improving the overall situation in China.

Further, the West felt that they could use the increased trade as a tool to keep China in check.

They have realized that China has not loosened its grip on freedoms within it's own borders and has not acted appropriately under international conventions such as the WTO. They have abused the concessions that were made. The Chinese have allowed their countrymen to violate the WTO conventions with impunity. Their belligerance in the WPS is another tell tale indicator that China will not play by the accepted standards.

Now that things have become blatantly obvious regarding the Chicoms, the question is just how far the West will go in taking punitive action against China in an effort to reign them in.

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The West tried to help China work for the common good.

Instead of reciprocating the goodwill with the same, it instead abused this assistance and succumb to the greed.

Blessing in disguise because the West has now realized how untrustworthy, unreliable and greedy China is.

It cannot be kept as a dependable ally. All it cares about is itself. Greedy to the bones.
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There is a difference to falling to greed and negotiating in bad faith. The Chinese do not honor negotiations. They knew from the beginning as to what they were doing. The Clinton administration foolishly believed they could influence China by helping them get admitted to the WTO under special "developing nation" concessions.

Clinton failed on both parts as human rights violations continue unabated and the Chinese continue to abuse their responsibilities under the provisions of the WTO.
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China is one of the largest lenders to the United States.

US will not help the Philippines because of love, it is necessity. They want to isolate the Chinese and one way of doing it is providing allied countries all around China. That way Chinese Navies can't just move without being detected. Look at the composition now, South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, Philippines and now looking at Vietnam. They are securing a military blanket at China so that in case of war the US mainland is protected by these allies.
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China has actually been selling off american t-bills so the more they sell off the less perceived leverage they will have.

In a serious altercation it would not surprise me if the americans just simply said piss off to the chinese and wrote off the t-bills and not paid claiming it to be monies owed for "war costs" etc.
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