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C-130 heavy bomber
Topic Started: Jul 2 2011, 06:06 AM (4,877 Views)
pachador


I once has a conversation with an officer years ago, and he said the PAF can drop very heavy bombs from a C-130 if necessary converting it into a heavy bomber. BOOM !

by the way, a C-130 can drop the mother of all bombs(MOAB):
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The C-130 can also drop the 15,000 lb Daisy Cutter bomb:
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Achtung! MOAB Achtung! :scared:
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pachador
Jul 2 2011, 06:06 AM
I once has a conversation with an officer years ago, and he said the PAF can drop very heavy bombs from a C-130 if necessary converting it into a heavy bomber.  BOOM !

by the way, a C-130 can drop the mother of all bombs(MOAB):
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The C-130 can also drop the 15,000 lb Daisy Cutter bomb:
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Pachador,

Can you name even one US ally that the US has sold MOABs to? Other than the British Royal Air Force?

:armyroleyes:

I don't see the Germans, South Koreans or Italians dropping MOABs from their C130s. Or any of the dozen or so foreign users of the C130s ranging from Malaysia to Chile to Australia.

And I doubt the the PAF would want to convert its few C130s into "bombers" or even Spectre gunships if the AFP had the money to do so. The need for them as airlifters is greater.

You really should pay attention to what is actually sold under FMS by the US and to whom they allow certain equipment to be sold to. The DCSA site is the place to start.
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pachador


looks like your trying to steer or channel the discussions. what is wrong with talking about c130 as a bomber ? does it violate the pdff rules? and the way you reply is very similar to a moderator in another forum. the reason I started posting in this forum was freedom of speech.
dont worry, if you keep telling people how to think, a third forum will come up sooner or later since poster's choices are to either follow forum rules or move out and create their own forum. Again , does my posting in this thread violate current pdff rules ?
MSantor
Jul 2 2011, 09:15 PM
pachador
Jul 2 2011, 06:06 AM
I once has a conversation with an officer years ago, and he said the PAF can drop very heavy bombs from a C-130 if necessary converting it into a heavy bomber.  BOOM !

by the way, a C-130 can drop the mother of all bombs(MOAB):

The C-130 can also drop the 15,000 lb Daisy Cutter bomb:


Pachador,

Can you name even one US ally that the US has sold MOABs to? Other than the British Royal Air Force?

:armyroleyes:

I don't see the Germans, South Koreans or Italians dropping MOABs from their C130s. Or any of the dozen or so foreign users of the C130s ranging from Malaysia to Chile to Australia.

And I doubt the the PAF would want to convert its few C130s into "bombers" or even Spectre gunships if the AFP had the money to do so. The need for them as airlifters is greater.

You really should pay attention to what is actually sold under FMS by the US and to whom they allow certain equipment to be sold to. The DCSA site is the place to start.
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pachador
Jul 2 2011, 11:58 PM
looks like your trying to steer or channel the discussions. what is wrong with talking about c130 as a bomber ? does it violate the pdff rules? and the way you reply is very similar to a moderator in another forum. the reason I started posting in this forum was freedom of speech. dont worry, if you keep telling people how to think, a third forum will come up sooner or later since poster's choices are to either follow forum rules or move out and create their own forum. Again , does my posting in this thread violate current pdff rules ?

Did you even READ what I wrote?

All I asked you to do was examine the practicality of your suggestions. Not to continue posting dream equipment that proves impractical and which the Philippines is not in the process of acquiring. How am I limiting your freedom of speech?

But go ahead, go form your own forum where you can explore your "fantasies" to your heart's content. It must be nice to live in denial. Or under a rock. :armyroleyes:
"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm."
- Winston Churchill


"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton
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nothing is impossible as far as arms aquisitions. we have to think outside the box and not base it on past arms aquisitions by other countries.
take the tomahawk missile proposal of congressman Golez, if it was suggested by a pdff poster, i wont be surprised if someone will think its incredulous. take the spruance class destroyer, I mentioned, if it was a wild fantasy of a pdff poster it would be shot down, but the fact is , it was studied by the AFP only recently. Lastly, I just said "by the way" in mentioning the moab - in other words something to think about - not a direct sugesstion to buy those big bombs.

.my main point is that you as a moderator in telling people how to post will have a chilling effect on discussions. it would be nice if moderators are more neutral like TOPP83. my suggestion is that if moderators want to shoot down postings, they should do so under an alternate name.

MSantor
Jul 3 2011, 12:56 AM
Did you even READ what I wrote?

All I asked you to do was examine the practicality of your suggestions. Not to continue posting dream equipment that proves impractical and which the Philippines is not in the process of acquiring. How am I limiting your freedom of speech?

But go ahead, go form your own forum where you can explore your "fantasies" to your heart's content. It must be nice to live in denial. Or under a rock. :armyroleyes:

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Jul 3 2011, 01:04 AM
MSantor
Jul 3 2011, 12:56 AM
Did you even READ what I wrote?

All I asked you to do was examine the practicality of your suggestions. Not to continue posting dream equipment that proves impractical and which the Philippines is not in the process of acquiring. How am I limiting your freedom of speech?

But go ahead, go form your own forum where you can explore your "fantasies" to your heart's content. It must be nice to live in denial. Or under a rock. :armyroleyes:

nothing is impossible as far as arms aquisitions. we have to think outside the box and not base it on past arms aquisitions by other countries.
take the tomahawk missile proposal of congressman Golez, if it was suggested by a pdff poster, i wont be surprised if someone will think its incredulous. take the spruance class destroyer, I mentioned, if it was a wild fantasy of a pdff poster it would be shot down, but the fact is , it was studied by the AFP only recently.

There are a lots of feasibility studies out there for acquiring different sorts of equipment.

A mere study for getting Tomahawks or even Spruance class destroyers is just a study. I ask you to look at past foreign acquisitions because it gives you an idea of how the Philippines can acquire certain types of equipment.

Aside from the incredulous costs of acquiring Tomahawks, did you not even think of how impractical it is for us to operate them? We don't have the support infrastructure to maintain them, such as the associated C4I we would need to support it. (we'd have to rely on American satellites to help guide the Tomahawks to target) :armyroleyes:

And we do not have the same clout or financial with the US that the UK- the sole foreign operator of Tomahawks- has.

Furthermore, we've never operated other SSMs. How can we operate Tomahawks if we don't even have experience with Exocets or Harpoons?

Let's put it this way- just because you want it and study it doesn't mean you can have it. Other conditions such as the willingness of the source country to sell it are important.

Japan, Israel and Australia, for example, made studies on the costs and feasibility of acquiring F22 fighters; but the fact of the matter is that the US Congress will never allow the sale of F22s to foreign countries. Especially since the F22 line was halted.
"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford

"Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm."
- Winston Churchill


"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton
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lol, I am aware that tomahawks ,spruance, are approaching incredulity, but since they were suggested or part of studies by govt planners or suggested by an ex-naval officer, then there is no reason why they cannot be posted so taxpayers know whats under the radar of govt planners.

look, Im game for discussing anything even if its a spaceship.. i just have a much higher tolerance level for other people's thoughts.

anyway, Its good to know that you do not intend to curtail my freedom of speech.


MSantor
Jul 3 2011, 01:15 AM
There are a lots of feasibility studies out there for acquiring different sorts of equipment.

A mere study for getting Tomahawks or even Spruance class destroyers is just a study. I ask you to look at past foreign acquisitions because it gives you an idea of how the Philippines can acquire certain types of equipment.

Aside from the incredulous costs of acquiring Tomahawks, did you not even think of how impractical it is for us to operate them? We don't have the support infrastructure to maintain them, such as the associated C4I we would need to support it. (we'd have to rely on American satellites to help guide the Tomahawks to target)  :armyroleyes:

And we do not have the same clout or financial with the US that the UK- the sole foreign operator of Tomahawks- has.

Furthermore, we've never operated other SSMs. How can we operate Tomahawks if we don't even have experience with Exocets or Harpoons?

Let's put it this way- just because you want it and study it doesn't mean you can have it. Other conditions such as the willingness of the source country to sell it are important.

Japan, Israel and Australia, for example, made studies on the costs and feasibility of acquiring F22 fighters; but the fact of the matter is that the US Congress will never allow the sale of F22s to foreign countries. Especially since the F22 line was halted.
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Group, C-130 has been known to be one of the best workhorse and has proven its versatility and capabilities in different theaters (combat zones), in different configurations, which it's a proven fact that it can perform different variety of missions. This includes, bombing. The MC-130 Combat Talon is configured to carry the Daisy Clutter (MOAB) and other conventional bombs.
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Yes sir, but how many operational C-130 we have now? what happen by the way of that 1 unit they bought is it operational already? and do they intend to buy additional unit or similar platform?
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