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BRP Rajah Humabon sent to West Philippine Sea
Topic Started: Jun 17 2011, 12:01 PM (10,422 Views)
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Because they are claimants like China. It is a common sense that they will not recognize it as our sovereign territory because they are claimants. They must do the same in the same forum to justify their claims. But in no way that the Philippines will give up its stand on the security of the islands. The ASEAN is not a court of justice. Nothing can be resolved through this organization. It is only the International Court of Justice and once the latter has its decision on who owns the islands in under different claimants, it is the task of the UN to implement that decision, and if the Philippines cannot prove it as its sovereign territory, then the UN will drive them out of the areas.
This is how international law works.
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Jun 18 2011, 05:54 PM
Because they are claimants like China. It is a common sense that they will not recognize it as our sovereign territory because they are claimants. They must do the same in the same forum to justify their claims. But in no way that the Philippines will give up its stand on the security of the islands. The ASEAN is not a court of justice. Nothing can be resolved through this organization. It is only the International Court of Justice and once the latter has its decision on who owns the islands in under different claimants, it is the task of the UN to implement that decision, and if the Philippines cannot prove it as its sovereign territory, then the UN will drive them out of the areas.
This is how international law works.

Thanks for the detail discussion regarding this topic and I think this is what happened in East Timor wherein the Indonesians annexed that country and decades past they were evicted thru a UN Resolution that Indonesia along with its people and troops should vacate East Timor. Hope this would happen to Spratly Islands and UN Resolution will come out in favor of Philippines due to geographical proximity to Palawan and not based on historical records.

Historical record of China were all based on descriptions and no detail map to give the exact location of said Nansha Islands. I read that during Chinese traders describe the islands like a serpent stretching across the sea. Then it could be any islands like Java, Sumatra or worst they are talking about Palawan.
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Jun 18 2011, 06:31 PM
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Jun 18 2011, 05:54 PM
Because they are claimants like China. It is a common sense that they will not recognize it as our sovereign territory because they are claimants. They must do the same in the same forum to justify their claims. But in no way that the Philippines will give up its stand on the security of the islands. The ASEAN is not a court of justice. Nothing can be resolved through this organization. It is only the International Court of Justice and once the latter has its decision on who owns the islands in under different claimants, it is the task of the UN to implement that decision, and if the Philippines cannot prove it as its sovereign territory, then the UN will drive them out of the areas.
This is how international law works.

Thanks for the detail discussion regarding this topic and I think this is what happened in East Timor wherein the Indonesians annexed that country and decades past they were evicted thru a UN Resolution that Indonesia along with its people and troops should vacate East Timor. Hope this would happen to Spratly Islands and UN Resolution will come out in favor of Philippines due to geographical proximity to Palawan and not based on historical records.

Historical record of China were all based on descriptions and no detail map to give the exact location of said Nansha Islands. I read that during Chinese traders describe the islands like a serpent stretching across the sea. Then it could be any islands like Java, Sumatra or worst they are talking about Palawan.

I think it depends what the serpent were doing according to their imaginations. What if that "serpent" is in sleeping position, or stuff like that right? Oh well... :armyLol:
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China's reference to their claim
http://www.fmprc.gov.cn/eng/topics/3754/t19231.htms Claim..

There were more detailed descriptions of the geographical locations and specific positions of the various islands of the Nansha Islands in the Yuan Dynasty. For instance, Wang Dayuan, a prominent Chinese navigator in the Yuan Dynasty, wrote about the Nansha Islands in his book entitled Abridged Records of Islands and Barbarians in these words: "The base of Wanli Shitang originates from Chaozhou. It is tortuous as a long snake lying in the sea. Its veins can all be traced. One such vein strentches to Java, one to Boni (or Burni, a kingdom which then existed in what is now Brunei in the vicinity of the Kalimantan) and Gulidimen (another kingdom on the Kalimantan), and one to the west side of the sea toward Kunlun (Con Son Islands, located outside the mouth of the mekong River some 200 nautical miles away from Saigon) in the distance…." Wanli Shitang here refers to all the islands in the South China Sea, including the Nansha Islands.

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Kaya di malinaw kung anong island ito coz it stated that early Chinese Fishermen developed the place called Nansha. But before Filipinos went there to occupy the KIG in West Philippines Sea. There were no signs that its previously developed. I bet this part of their history is purposely injected just to give basis to their claim. Also may claim pang FOOTPRINTS in the sand? this is foolish.....ano yun na Fossilized ang mga Footprints?

So its right for PF11 to patrol our Territories especially on Scarborough and Reed Banks.. The Chinese has wrong interpretation of their history..
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Jun 17 2011, 04:57 PM
Let's not forget the Cheonan incident in Korean Peninsula!!! 
Only thing they have to do is DENY IT, which their very good at.....


The one thing that'll make modernization a little faster, is if an incident such as the one above does happened. Congress will suddenly find a budget for ASW and anti-ship missiles. Who knows, even more modern corvettes and even a submarine in the near future.

Unfortunately people has to get killed, with a lot of media attention, to get our politicians to listen.
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Jun 19 2011, 12:23 PM
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Jun 17 2011, 04:57 PM
Let's not forget the Cheonan incident in Korean Peninsula!!! 
Only thing they have to do is DENY IT, which their very good at.....


The one thing that'll make modernization a little faster, is if an incident such as the one above does happened. Congress will suddenly find a budget for ASW and anti-ship missiles. Who knows, even more modern corvettes and even a submarine in the near future.

Unfortunately people has to get killed, with a lot of media attention, to get our politicians to listen.


Perhaps your right, but at a GREAT cost in terms of human life...


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Jun 18 2011, 05:54 PM
Because they are claimants like China. It is a common sense that they will not recognize it as our sovereign territory because they are claimants. They must do the same in the same forum to justify their claims. But in no way that the Philippines will give up its stand on the security of the islands. The ASEAN is not a court of justice. Nothing can be resolved through this organization. It is only the International Court of Justice and once the latter has its decision on who owns the islands in under different claimants, it is the task of the UN to implement that decision, and if the Philippines cannot prove it as its sovereign territory, then the UN will drive them out of the areas.
This is how international law works.

On the contrary & despite your chest beating, the Philippines is also a claimant just like any other claimant country. You cannot cite a single claimant nor any other non-claimant/neutral country that has recognized your sovereignty over the Spratlys.

Earlier you asserted that China should have ejected with military force occupants of islands in the Spratlys but I said its not China's policy to be aggressive in the area although it can very well do so with relative ease.

If so you claim that Philippines has sole sovereignty over the Spratlys then why not your forces invaded the islands occupied by Taiwan, Vietnam, etc?


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If so you claim that Philippines has sole sovereignty over the Spratlys then why not your forces invaded the islands occupied by Taiwan, Vietnam, etc?


As you can see, out of all the claimants Philippines is the least aggressive of them all not like your kind! Where always on the defensive and never on offensive mode...

We maybe are like small "Hantik" ants compared to your Country, but these ants packs a BIG Bite that cannot be ignored...
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It was in response to TOPPs earlier suggestion that China should have forcibly evicted occupants of islands.

Which country has just sent a heavily armed ship to the area with news reports reading like "Philippine Navy Flexes Muscles".

China has sent only unarmed patrol ships and no here has yet posted evidence supporting your claims of Chinese aggression.
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Philippines says naval ship to enforce maritime law

MANILA, Philippines – The Philippines’ military chief said Sunday the country’s naval flagship would not go beyond the country’s 200 nautical mile exclusive economic zone as it prepares to deploy near disputed South China Sea waters.
General Eduardo Oban said however he remained optimistic that the territorial dispute would be solved peacefully and avoid a potential armed confrontation.
“We hope it will not reach that point,” Oban told reporters when asked if sending the flagship Rajah Humabon to the area could stoke clashes.
He said the ship would be confined to its maritime boundaries and would not stray into international waters.
“I am optimistic that whatever conflicts may arise there will be settled peacefully and diplomatically, although what I am saying is that we will have to (also) enforce maritime laws within our 200 nautical mile zone,” he said.
Manila said Friday it would deploy the Rajah Humabon to the South China Sea, a day after China announced that one of its maritime patrol vessels was also scheduled to pass through the area.
Both countries, as well Taiwan, Vietnam, Malaysia and Brunei have competing claims over potentially resource-rich areas in the South China Sea, particularly the Spratlys islands.
China claims the entire South China Sea as its historical fishing grounds, but the Philippines argues that the United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea states that a country has exclusive economic rights over waters that fall within 200 nautical miles of its continental shelf.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/4557/phil...ce-maritime-law
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