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BRP Rajah Humabon sent to West Philippine Sea
Topic Started: Jun 17 2011, 12:01 PM (10,418 Views)
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Yes I agree! We might as well upgrade other existing younger PN Ships like the Jacintos or upcoming new Ships than the Humabon...
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pachador


heres a partial answer to the question of upgrading the Humabon:

On board the BRP Humabon
By DJ Sta. Ana with Mia Reyes/News5 (The Philippine Star)

excerpt of full article:

the Rajah Humabon could only manage 10 knots in its patrol due to the age of its engines. And the age is not only evident in its engines, but also throughout the ship’s
superstructure.

Reyes recounted that rainwater would seep into the rusted parts of the ships
– with the crew doing their best to counter the leaks either with rags
stuffed into the gaps or pails to catch the water. The Rajah Humabon has
Spartan accommodations but at least it is comfortable, as it has
air-conditioning and sleeping areas.

In its wardroom, a portrait of Rajah Humabon is displayed. As for meals,
crewmembers bring along their own favorite viands to augment the “spartan”
meals served by the ship’s cook. Reyes said it is just one way to add
variety to their shipboard meals, which usually consist of seafood.

As for entertainment, Reyes said crewmen cope with the long trips with
karaoke and DVD – with crewmembers sharing their own collection. Another
source of entertainment are cellphones, where the crewmen play songs.

The Rajah Humabon is armed with a combination of 40 mm and 20 mm cannons as
well as .50 caliber machineguns, but when racked up against other Asian
navies, the ship is a lightweight when it comes to armaments.

The ship’s executive officer, Commander Oscar Canlas, pointed out they are
capable of fulfilling their mission although he admits that having more
equipment and capability wouldn’t hurt. “For me, we are trying to provide
the necessary requirements to accomplish the mission.”

“Since andun kami, based on our equipment, nagagawa naman yung mission pero
maganda kung ma-enhance ito (Since we’re there, based on our equipment we
can accomplish the mission but it would be better if there’s an upgrade),”
he added.

Among the enhancements they wish for the Rajah Humabon are: Updating its
combat information center, its communications center and weapons, which date
back to World War 2.

Canlas pointed out one immediate improvement they need is satellite and
video capability which allows them to feed real time video back to Navy
headquarters, even Malacañang.

“They can really visualize kung ano talagang nakikita namin sa area kung
saan kami ma-deploy (They can really visualize what we see in the area where
we are deployed),” Canlas explained. “Mas maganda if you can see para ma
appreciate nung leadership yung situation sa lugar (Better if the leadership
can actually see the situation).”

Canlas cited the importance of the Philippine Navy to continuously patrol
the area, not only Scarborough Shoal but the Spratlys. He pointed out
countries have been demonstrating their presence in order to solidify their
claim on the area – even if these are well within Philippine waters.

He likened these activities to that of squatters or illegal tenants, who
just stay there until, over time, you get used to them being there.

“To patrol these areas and make sure nothing is developed and we are trying
to show our vessels to let people know we can cover this area,” Canlas
stressed.

Canlas put it simply: Presence is everything.

“When you want to occupy something, you have to show presence – mere
presence shows interest,” Canlas said.

“Anytime I will be directed to come back, we will come here. If I need to
come back, I will come back,” Captain Abalayan vowed.
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truegrit


With regards to PF-11 upgrading of weapons system, is it possible to replace those old 3inch/50calibre guns with the new 57mm Bofors Gun coz I read somewhere that these were also the guns use to replace the 76mm Oto Melara guns on US ships and its a Zero-Deck Penetration Mounted.

Even the 57mm MkII can stop an incoming missile with this gun.

Some links on this Bofors 57mm guns now currently used US navy on their LCS and new USCG Homeland Security-class Cutter.

http://youtu.be/qxVOclDHI9Y

Bofor 57mm gun shown on Youtube link above was fired from the coastal shore and can be used as Coastal Defense guns.

Below is the video link for Future Weapons. also fired like a Coastal Defense gun too.

http://youtu.be/nzBPGfCq21s

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


http://www.bofors.se/bae/products/57Mk3.pdf
http://www.baesystems.com/ProductsServices...m_mk_three.html

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR_57-60_m1951.htm
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNSweden_57-70_mk123.htm

http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-A...uns-Sweden.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20060207135925/...issiles/bofors/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors_57_mm_gun

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Please correct if I am wrong regarding Weapons system replacement on PF-11. Recently been given a Garbage bag due to suggesting this one...
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pachador


it would really depend too on how long the PN wants to continue operating the humabon. it would really be funny if it keeps running until its 100 years old but at least we will break the guiness book of records. lol

on the other hand, even if they decommission the humabon, the PN can always just transfer whatever newly installed guns there is, e.g. 57mm gun and move it to another ship that needs it.

and besides, the crew of the Humabon themselves wish for better weapons on their ship as mentioned in the article.

so yes, if you ask me, if the deck of the humabon can handle a new install of a better gun, e.g 57mm, then why not ? hindi ba? we do send the humabon to spratlys so might as well give it a better chance to defend itself as long as there is money.

gritpaladin
Jun 23 2011, 06:19 AM
With regards to PF-11 upgrading of weapons system, is it possible to replace those old 3inch/50calibre guns with the new 57mm Bofors Gun coz I read somewhere that these were also the guns use to replace the 76mm Oto Melara guns on US ships and its a Zero-Deck Penetration Mounted.

Even the 57mm MkII can stop an incoming missile with this gun.

Some links on this Bofors 57mm guns now currently used US navy on their LCS and new USCG Homeland Security-class Cutter.

http://youtu.be/qxVOclDHI9Y

Bofor 57mm gun shown on Youtube link above was fired from the coastal shore and can be used as Coastal Defense guns.

Below is the video link for Future Weapons. also fired like a Coastal Defense gun too.

http://youtu.be/nzBPGfCq21s

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>


http://www.bofors.se/bae/products/57Mk3.pdf
http://www.baesystems.com/ProductsServices...m_mk_three.html

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNFR_57-60_m1951.htm
http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WNSweden_57-70_mk123.htm

http://articles.janes.com/articles/Janes-A...uns-Sweden.html
http://web.archive.org/web/20060207135925/...issiles/bofors/

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bofors_57_mm_gun

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Please correct if I am wrong regarding Weapons system replacement on PF-11.  Recently been given a Garbage bag due to suggesting this one...
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truegrit


That's a very good idea... operating a Rajah Humabon PF-11 thru continuous upgrading of its weapons system, engine and hull till it reaches 100 years for Guiness Book of records...
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On board the BRP Humabon
http://www.philstar.com/Article.aspx?artic...ubCategoryId=63
By DJ Sta. Ana with Mia Reyes/News5 (The Philippine Star) Updated June 23, 2011 12:00 AM

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MANILA, Philippines - The BRP Rajah Humabon (PF–11) is the Philippine Navy’s flagship and its 60 crew members believe they are the strongest expression of Philippine sovereignty even as they acknowledge they may prove no match to other navies, especially that of China.

Though the Rajah Humabon is antiquated and lightly armed, its sailors – whose average age is in the 30s – make up for it through dedication to their duty of protecting Philippine maritime territory.

The Rajah Humabon has been in service for nearly 68 years. This means the ship is as old as the fathers of most of the crew.

News5 junior correspondent Mia Reyes was one of the journalists who went with the Rajah Humabon on a three-day patrol to the Scarborough Shoal in the West Philippine Sea. The Philippine Navy had ordered the Rajah Humabon to the area following reports that foreign ships were seen in the area well within Philippine waters.

According to Philippine and US Navy records, the Rajah Humabon is the largest but oldest Philippine Navy warship. It was commissioned in August 1943 as the USS Atherton, a Cannon–class destroyer. As the Atherton (DE–169), it was sent to the North Atlantic, assigned to anti–submarine patrol and was credited with the sinking of a German U-boat in 1945. She was later transferred to the Pacific where she continued to serve until she was decommissioned in 1945.

In 1955, the Atherton was handed over to the newly formed Japanese Maritime Self–Defense Force and renamed the JDS Hatsushi (DE–263). The Hatsushi was retired in 1975.

The Atherton/Hatsushi was then turned over to the Philippines in 1978 but first underwent extensive refurbishment in South Korea. The Philippine Navy commissioned the ship in 1980 as the BRP Rajah Humabon. The ship, along with two other frigates, served as the backbone of the Philippine Navy. The Rajah Humabon was decommissioned in 1993 but was pulled back into service as the Philippine Navy lacked ships. She was re-commissioned in 1996.

According to Reyes, morale among the 60-man crew is high even as they acknowledge they may be no match to the warships of other navies, such as China.

From a naval base in San Fernando, La Union, it takes the Rajah Humabon some 18 hours to reach Scarborough Shoal, located over 200 kilometers west of Luzon. Scarborough Shoal is claimed by the Philippines due to proximity although China is known to have sent patrol ships to the area.

Capt. Celeste Abalayan, Rajah Humabon’s commanding officer, admits they did encounter a Chinese maritime patrol ship some months back well within Philippine waters. Abalayan said the encounter was “friendly” and that the Chinese ship “was just representing China.” For this recent sortie in early June, he said the Rajah Humabon was given the mission to check the presence of foreign vessels in Scarborough Shoal.

Three outriggers

The Philippines and China previously had an “encounter” in Scarborough Shoal when Beijing placed markers.

In this inspection, Abalayan said they found no foreign ships – only three outrigger boats operated by Filipino fishermen. He did admit they have had 87 reported incursions by foreign vessels, although he did not say within what time frame.

When asked what actions they would take if they find a foreign vessel in Philippine waters, Abalayan said: “We usually monitor their movements and if there are some illegal activities, we shoo them away.”

Although it was given a rated top speed of 60 knots, the Rajah Humabon could only manage 10 knots in its patrol due to the age of its engines. And the age is not only evident in its engines, but also throughout the ship’s superstructure.

Reyes recounted that rainwater would seep into the rusted parts of the ships – with the crew doing their best to counter the leaks either with rags stuffed into the gaps or pails to catch the water. The Rajah Humabon has Spartan accommodations but at least it is comfortable, as it has air-conditioning and sleeping areas.

In its wardroom, a portrait of Rajah Humabon is displayed. As for meals, crewmembers bring along their own favorite viands to augment the “spartan” meals served by the ship’s cook. Reyes said it is just one way to add variety to their shipboard meals, which usually consist of seafood.

As for entertainment, Reyes said crewmen cope with the long trips with karaoke and DVD – with crewmembers sharing their own collection. Another source of entertainment are cellphones, where the crewmen play songs.

The Rajah Humabon is armed with a combination of 40 mm and 20 mm cannons as well as .50 caliber machineguns, but when racked up against other Asian navies, the ship is a lightweight when it comes to armaments.

The ship’s executive officer, Commander Oscar Canlas, pointed out they are capable of fulfilling their mission although he admits that having more equipment and capability wouldn’t hurt. “For me, we are trying to provide the necessary requirements to accomplish the mission.”

“Since andun kami, based on our equipment, nagagawa naman yung mission pero maganda kung ma-enhance ito (Since we’re there, based on our equipment we can accomplish the mission but it would be better if there’s an upgrade),” he added.

Among the enhancements they wish for the Rajah Humabon are: Updating its combat information center, its communications center and weapons, which date back to World War 2.

Canlas pointed out one immediate improvement they need is satellite and video capability which allows them to feed real time video back to Navy headquarters, even Malacañang.

“They can really visualize kung ano talagang nakikita namin sa area kung saan kami ma-deploy (They can really visualize what we see in the area where we are deployed),” Canlas explained. “Mas maganda if you can see para ma appreciate nung leadership yung situation sa lugar (Better if the leadership can actually see the situation).”

Canlas cited the importance of the Philippine Navy to continuously patrol the area, not only Scarborough Shoal but the Spratlys. He pointed out countries have been demonstrating their presence in order to solidify their claim on the area – even if these are well within Philippine waters.

He likened these activities to that of squatters or illegal tenants, who just stay there until, over time, you get used to them being there.

“To patrol these areas and make sure nothing is developed and we are trying to show our vessels to let people know we can cover this area,” Canlas stressed.

Canlas put it simply: Presence is everything.

“When you want to occupy something, you have to show presence – mere presence shows interest,” Canlas said.

“Anytime I will be directed to come back, we will come here. If I need to come back, I will come back,” Captain Abalayan vowed.
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Yo is that kapitan crazy or what, perhaps smoking pot? What was he thinking about enhancing this ship's capabilities when that freaking old ship has to be retired?

Walang manyayari talaga kung ganyanang takbo ng utak nila, ipinapakita nyang kinakayanin pa nilang paandarin yang barkong kumakaradkad na sa luma at lalong hindi makikinig yang mga liderato sa pinas dahil iisipin nila, "o yan naman pala ang tsatsaga nila kaya paraw nilang pagtsagaan yaang mga lumang barko!"... Anak ng tinola talaga........ Dapat magmatigas nayang kapitan na yan na tama na at sobra na ang kanilang mga sakripisyo sa pagpapaandar ng mga lumang barko. Dapat sa mga kapanahunang ito at mga ganitong oras, nagrereklamo na sya kahit ano pa namang sabihin ng mga tao! Hindi naman masama siguro magreklamo basta kung may punto ka at tama ka.

Ang tamang reklamo dyan, palitan na ang buong barko at tama na ang paglalaro sa kanila ng mga hinayupak na magnanakaw sa gobyerno. Tsk...
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HELLO!!! Boyos!!! Valdore the ChiCom China Man!! Is back again to raise up your Alert Level from DeF-Con 3 to DeF-Con 1 Status and to Re-Heat your Adrenalin rushing your Blood to A Boiling Point Of Irritation!... Hahahahah!!!.. China Rock! and My cousins will kick your pittifull Arse!!!.. :werock:
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HELLO!!! Boyos!!! Valdore the ChiCom China Man!! Is back again to raise up your Alert Level from DeF-Con 3 to DeF-Con 1 Status and to Re-Heat your Adrenalin rushing your Blood to A Boiling Point Of Irritation!... Hahahahah!!!.. China Rock! and My cousins will kick your pittifull Arse!!!.. :werock:

behave or I will raid all your Hopia and eat them. :lollol:
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pachador
Jun 23 2011, 12:31 PM
behave or I will raid all your Hopia and eat them. :lollol:

Nice Threats! Pachador, I hope Valdore the ChiCom would read this at all.. :armywink:
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