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|FVR pushes for 'hard bargaining' with China; and our "very long wish list" to the US|
|Topic Started: May 25 2011, 11:37 PM (2,771 Views)|
|israeli||May 25 2011, 11:37 PM Post #1|
FVR pushes for 'hard bargaining' with China
By Rodney Jaleco, ABS-CBN North America News Bureau
Posted at 05/25/2011 9:17 AM | Updated as of 05/25/2011 2:20 PM
WASHINGTON D.C. - Former President Fidel V. Ramos warned yesterday against raising tensions in the South China Sea and urged President Aquino to be more consistent in his dealings with China and the United States.
More of the article here.
a snippet on the article: us giving our "very long wish list" to people in the Pentagon:
|"I'm very determined. If I decide what something is worth doing, then I'll put my heart and soul to it. The whole ground can be against me, but if I know it is right, I'll do it. That's the business of a leader." - Lee Kuan Yew|
|boxster||May 26 2011, 01:48 AM Post #2|
|Can FVR explain where money from the sale of fort bonifacio went.. that money should have been use to modernize the armed forces...instead of giving pnoy unsolicited advise.|
|Zero wing||May 26 2011, 01:50 AM Post #3|
ZAFT Sepcial Forces Operative for SEA
i second that were is our money for the military......
"No sacrifice is too great in the service of freedom."|
“As long as we are not willing to provide an adequate, suitable and capable defense for this country, we will be oppressed, demeaned and dishonored. We will be the stepping mat of every country in this region,”(Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile)
“Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson)
|AVBsupersonic||May 26 2011, 02:26 AM Post #4|
I read somewhere that he was the one who ordered the PN/Marines to stop blowing up of Markers put up by the Chinese intruders in KIG, that later on led to the Chinese occupation of Mischief Reef.... Our AFP was much stronger then compared now during FVR's Government and we had the 12 F-5s in Flyable conditions, and the PNavy was ok so why did he just let the Chinese get away with it back then? "Nalagyan ba siya like Ate Glo?"
What's with this then is he planning to run again?
|"Some are just lucky that they're not under oath and are not classified!"- Blue badge|
|spearhead||May 26 2011, 04:09 AM Post #5|
DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
|But the philippines is not even competing with the arms race in asia, they're just trying to catch up! It's true that they need to get involved more in diplomacy, but never neglect the progress so far in the AFP as they have to keep up their needed weapon systems.|
"Men of War must learn the art of numbers or he will not know how to array his troops." - Plato|
|Hitman||May 26 2011, 04:40 AM Post #6|
|simple... FVR sold us out. he is not a true patriot. but a traitor. It was also taxpayers money that send him to Westpoint.|
|Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP||May 26 2011, 06:07 AM Post #7|
|He is one of the over-fed "Dobermans" during the Marcos dictatorship.|
"GUILTY CONSCIENCE NEEDS NO ACCUSER"
|boxster||May 26 2011, 04:32 PM Post #8|
|the truth is it was during FVRs term when our military weakened.. during corys time we still have a squadron of F-5s and S211. infact we had two jet acrobatic teams.. when FVr became president we were reduced to a COIN operating force.. He was the most travelled president.. we had a modernization program tht was being drafted but this did nothing to help a already aging navy and air force. It was during his term when we had the most opportunity to modernize with a flleet of F-16 being offered to us for a minimum price.. Missle corvettes.. Kfirs but instead of modernizing the AFP was reduced to mendicancy.. contented with donated OV10s from thailand and F-5 A/B from Korea..and of all people he shouldve understood the needs of AFP more than any other president because he came from the military. Blamng the financial crisis during the late 90s was just an excuse to delay the delivery of assets..where in fact Corruption was the real issue..It was probably during his time that the pabaon system started with his blessing ofcourse. and became rampant during GMAs terms.. harking the Diplomacy line should never be an excuse in asserting our claims.. The spratlys, the reed bank, the mischief reefs is part of the Philippines . And no country big or small should bully us into surrendering our sovereignty over our territories..|
|redhatch||May 30 2011, 05:07 AM Post #9|
yup, ang kapre ang nakinabang sa proceeds the Fort Bonifacio. like one member here said, he's the one who got away, slept with the enemy and sold out our armed forces. Siya, si Defense Chief De Villa at NSA Almonte.
yug patalun-talon niya sa Edsa pakitang tao, kasi inevitable na ang pagbagsak ni Marcos. alam niyang wala silang kapupuntahan ni Enrile, kaya bumaliktad sila. who would've thought na magiging Senate president pa yung isa, e member yan ng Rolex XII?
|pachador||Jun 5 2011, 01:11 AM Post #10|
The following news is disturbing:
1.) someone needs to tell Cuisia to get out of the insurgency mode mindset. insurgency is easy to lick by just giving rewards for the heads of leaders.. cut off the head of the snake.
2.) Ramos is discouraging us from buying more hardware ?? haha, we dont have good hardware to begin with... see below
Philippines shops for US military gear
By Michael Lim Ubac
Philippine Daily Inquirer
June 5th, 2011
WASHINGTON, DC—Amid increasing concern over renewed tensions in the South China Sea, the Philippine Embassy here is shopping for excess defense equipment from the United States under Washington’s Foreign Military Sales (FMS) program.
Jose L. Cuisia Jr., the Philippine ambassador to the US, said he has asked the Department of National Defense and Armed Forces back home to provide him with a wish list of military equipment they will need to shore up the country’s defense capability.
He said he expected the defense department to “prioritize” its modernization goals, but was careful not to explicitly link the purchase of US excess defense articles to the Philippine military’s job of securing the territorial sovereignty of the country in the face of China’s alleged intrusions into the areas of the disputed Spratlys group claimed by the Philippines.
“There are defense articles that will be available, and that’s why I’m asking the Navy, Air Force and Army what their needs are,” said Cuisia who made this disclosure during a visit at the embassy here last week of former President Fidel Ramos.
It is part of Cuisia’s job to negotiate with US officials contracts for the purchase of US military hardware. The FMS program is a standardized method for the sale by the US of defense equipment, services and training to foreign countries and governments. (See In the Know)
Cuisia said the negotiations with the US are only after the defense department, in consultation with the AFP, has determined “what the country needs.”
He said he has already seen the list provided by the Navy, but the other service commands—the Army and Air Force—have yet to come up with their own wish lists.
Hamilton class cutter
On May 13, Cuisia marked his debut as the new ambassador to Washington by signing the certificate of transfer of the decommissioned US Coast Guard Hamilton class cutter to the Philippines. (The cutters are called “Hamilton class” after their lead ship, the Hamilton, named after Alexander Hamilton, the first US Secretary of the Treasury.)
While in the US Coast Guard service, the vessel saw action in maritime safety and security missions, including drug and migrant interdiction, and search and rescue.
The patrol vessel, whose two 1,800 horsepower gas turbines can propel it to speeds of up to 28 knots, will be renamed the BRP Gregorio del Pilar. It is the biggest ship ever to be acquired by the Philippine Navy, and will be sailed to Manila next month.
Philippine military officials have high hopes of acquiring a few other relatively modern patrol ships as the US will retire eight more Coast Guard cutters over the next five years.
Cuisia, however, seemed lukewarm to purchasing a decommissioned US warship because of the high price tag, even if it’s being sold at a “very big discounted price.”
“Is that what we really need? Do we need another one, or do we need something else?” he said.
“Do we need a frigate? Maybe that’s not what we need. Maybe what we need are fast patrol boats to go after pirates, after Abu Sayyaf, etc.,” he said.
Caution vs arms buildup
Ramos warned Philippine defense officials against promoting an arms buildup in the Spratlys group, a reputedly oil-rich chain of islands and reefs, which is claimed wholly or in part by the Philippines, China, Malaysia, Brunei, Vietnam and Taiwan.
“There’s a buildup on many sides—even us. This is a little tiny buildup, which is the (purchase of a) Coast Guard cutter. Why don’t we use all this money that’s being budgeted for an arms buildup for peace, development and prosperity?” he said.
Escalating tensions in the Spratlys, which straddle busy international shipping lanes, is a relic of the Cold War, said the retired general who met with Cuisia and the Filipino community here during a 12-day swing of the US in May.
Ramos urged President Benigno Aquino III to accept an invitation from Chinese President Hu Jintao to visit Beijing. He said this would help ease the tension over China’s recent alleged intrusions.
As early as March, Mr. Aquino has been invited by China to make an official visit, but Malacañang has yet to set a date.
Joint patrol of rivals
Ramos envisions a “common defense” of the South China Sea instead of rival claimants locked in a perpetual war mode, pointing their arsenals against each other.
His proposed setup is akin to a joint patrol of contested waters in which all claimant countries would contribute forces to maintain peace and stability in the South China Sea.
“What do we do with these existing armies? Why don’t we in Asia Pacific agree to treat each other like partners in peace and prosperity instead of us potential rivals 10 years from now?” he said.
Ramos noted the marked changes in the global security environment after the fall of the Iron Curtain in 1989, which precipitated the disintegration of the Soviet Union and with it, the threat of international communism.
In both the Korean War and Vietnam War, the US had pursued a policy of containment, triggering the mushrooming of US military bases in Asia and around the world as the free world’s response to the advance of communism, he said.
The Philippines sided with the US in both wars, nurturing a political, economic and military relationship in post-World War II which did not always sit well with communist China.
But with China embracing capitalism, its economy is set to eclipse the US in 2016, as the International Monetary Fund recently predicted.
The real enemy
According to Ramos, the real enemy in the 21st century is no longer one country against the other.
“That’s outmoded. That’s a Cold War mentality,” he said.
“The force which is being applied one against the other and then continues to escalate should not just be identified with the No. 1 and No. 2 superpowers (the US and China) because who is the enemy? What is the enemy now? It’s international terrorism. It’s endemic disease. It’s climate change. It is poverty,” Ramos said.
“Can you imagine how much better the quality of life all around the world, especially in the Philippines and in China and in many parts of the world, would be if the huge amount of dollars, of yuan and pesos will be devoted to economic and social development?” he said.
The Ramos Peace and Development Foundation is working toward this goal of regional stability and prosperity, he said.
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