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Chinese jets buzz PAF patrol planes
Topic Started: May 20 2011, 02:10 AM (10,035 Views)
zwahzhal
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AVBsupersonic
May 20 2011, 05:36 PM
If the two OV-10s were on a routine reconnaissance mission at that time they should have taken pictures of an incident like this for us to have "PROOF" they should have CAMERAS with them.

This should be part of their SOP when doing recons, the PN, PAF, PCG should be Taking PICTURES and should be doing this all a long when Conducting their routine patrols especially along this areas.... :dunno: It's also the only way we can have proof to show, include when filing a PROTEST to the UN.

The Big Problem is Vietnam and China have the same ROUNDEL... :aberet:

Our OV-10's is not equipped for photo recon, unfortunately. They're for visual recon only. Pics are possible via the handheld digicams only. Jet fighter intrusion was sudden, accdg to...
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Really Sir V? How did you found out? It means they are also testing us and for sure it was accompanied by Xian H-6 Aerial refueling tanker. Maybe it was dispatched from Hainan Island and then tanker followed, they can time our response team and can hear our commands. Their base in Mischief Reef is the one probably monitoring our bases in palawan using radars... :dunno:
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May 20 2011, 08:42 PM
AVBsupersonic
May 20 2011, 05:36 PM
If the two OV-10s were on a routine reconnaissance mission at that time they should have taken pictures of an incident like this for us to have "PROOF" they should have CAMERAS with them.

This should be part of their SOP when doing recons, the PN, PAF, PCG  should be Taking PICTURES and should be doing this all a long when Conducting their routine patrols especially along this areas....  :dunno:  It's also the only way we can have proof to show, include when filing a PROTEST to the UN.

The Big Problem is Vietnam and China have the same ROUNDEL... :aberet:

Our OV-10's is not equipped for photo recon, unfortunately. They're for visual recon only. Pics are possible via the handheld digicams only. Jet fighter intrusion was sudden, accdg to...


They should provide them with Cameras, video whatever.. It's not a question of OV-10s not equipped for photo Recon? It's a dumb idea not providing them with handheld CAMS at least doing RECONS, should be included as SOP for them!
This boils you up really.... In timawa most of the insiders their you would think they know everything especially technical...? and wouldn't miss a bit! but a simple CAMERA issue to it's NAVY, Air Force doing Reconnaissance "HINDI NILA NAISIP NA KAILANGAN AT MAHALAGA ?"

Just saying What If? Example; The Pilot happens to be anti-govt. or crazy and wants to make up stories and create chaos, panic, WAR over in KIG, how will they know if they're telling the TRUTH? It can happen RIGHT?
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May 20 2011, 08:54 PM
zwahzhal
May 20 2011, 08:42 PM
AVBsupersonic
May 20 2011, 05:36 PM
If the two OV-10s were on a routine reconnaissance mission at that time they should have taken pictures of an incident like this for us to have "PROOF" they should have CAMERAS with them.

This should be part of their SOP when doing recons, the PN, PAF, PCG  should be Taking PICTURES and should be doing this all a long when Conducting their routine patrols especially along this areas....  :dunno:  It's also the only way we can have proof to show, include when filing a PROTEST to the UN.

The Big Problem is Vietnam and China have the same ROUNDEL... :aberet:

Our OV-10's is not equipped for photo recon, unfortunately. They're for visual recon only. Pics are possible via the handheld digicams only. Jet fighter intrusion was sudden, accdg to...


They should provide them with Cameras, video whatever.. It's not a question of OV-10s not equipped for photo Recon? It's a dumb idea not providing them with handheld CAMS at least doing RECONS, should be included as SOP for them!
This boils you up really.... In timawa most of the insiders their you would think they know everything especially technical...? and wouldn't miss a bit! but a simple CAMERA issue to it's NAVY, Air Force doing Reconnaissance "HINDI NILA NAISIP NA KAILANGAN AT MAHALAGA ?"

Just saying What If? Example; The Pilot happens to be anti-govt. or crazy and wants to make up stories and create chaos, panic, WAR over in KIG, how will they know if they're telling the TRUTH? It can happen RIGHT?

Handheld cams, what our pilots have. But since our OV-10's are also not equipped with air-air radar, the buzzing was very sudden that preps for the handheld cams wasn't immediately available upto the next 7seconds. Then that's it, no longer w/in visual. That's why we need the tools. Land-based Radar and our fighters, equipped w/ radar.
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These reports really are misleading.... If they say the SU-27 buzzed them at 4,000ft and they were at 1,000ft and didn't fly along side them like Bugging them out.. and just went past through them (Flyby), then we cannot call it "Harassment," but "Intrusion" of our Airspace... Regardless it's still a violation of our Sovereignty. :nono: :armyfrown:

Best thing to do is just to carry on with the Reconn mission to show them that were not afraid of them, especially if we know that we are well within our Airspace.

There should be a PN Ship stationed nearby the Reed Bank areas , especially during air reconns like this to provide support for Air defense.
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The aggressor aircraft were most likely Su-27’s based at Sanya in Hainan. The aircraft would have had refueling tankers (H-6D) based in Lingshui. My guess is a tanker topped the flankers off at altitude just out of Hainan and then another set of Tankers would have been waiting just outside the engagement area in case the Flankers burned more gas in case things went bad. The Tankers each would have about 36,000 pounds of fuel to give.

I do not normally see PRC Flankers with fuel tanks added so I would like to know if they had fuel tanks and if they had any visible weaponry. They would not need to have visible weaponry as they could just easily pull a gun pass on a Bronco. This would give a better idea on what range they were capable of. Normally the Su27 can be 800nm low altitude and about 2000 at high altitude. Based on the range and profile their best would have been about 1200nm unrefueled.

It is about 705nm to Mischief. Knowing they had to descend down to 4000 feet these guys ranges would have been greatly affected ensuring tanker support.
Note, if they did descend down to 4000 feet that puts them in range of a manpad.

Knowing the Americans always seem to have recon assets in the South China Sea I would ask them for the relevant bits of what they collected regarding the incident. I would be shocked if they did not have something.

Keep in mind all of my numbers are based on open source and not official numbers.

I am coming up with some ideas on how to put a kink in their plans

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Looking forward to those ideas Tsukumi... :armywink:

I want to ask you something regarding your opinion on PAF/Govt. leasing MRFs from the US on a lease to own terms, if ever they will let us...?

or your idea on other options to give a solution to our present problem and immediate replacement for Air Defense Wing? is the KF-5 feasible for us?

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Mr Zwahzhal

1.) is this jet fghter purchase separate from the jet/prop trainer purchase ???

2.) Does this mean the purchase of jet fighters was accelerated ???

3.) whats the timetable(this year or next year?) and whats the jet fighter specs ??

Thanks !!!!

zwahzhal
May 20 2011, 05:52 PM
Preferred jet fighter specs have already been completed and just awaiting for the release of the budget. Government-to-government acquisition will be performed. Commercial issues will allow them to bid and cost will be throught FMS.

Whichever it is, what we need are the tools to protect the sovereignty of this nation.  :salute:
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May 20 2011, 09:50 AM
Counter-part in the Mossad???

Yes, I like him better than the CIA counter-part. :thumb:
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May 21 2011, 12:58 AM
Mr Zwahzhal

1.) is this jet fghter purchase separate from the jet/prop trainer purchase ???

2.) Does this mean the purchase of jet fighters was accelerated ???

3.) whats the timetable(this year or next year?) and whats the jet fighter specs ??

Thanks !!!!

zwahzhal
May 20 2011, 05:52 PM
Preferred jet fighter specs have already been completed and just awaiting for the release of the budget. Government-to-government acquisition will be performed. Commercial issues will allow them to bid and cost will be throught FMS.

Whichever it is, what we need are the tools to protect the sovereignty of this nation.  :salute:

1. Yes
2. In what acceleration do you mean?
3. See previous blogs in other topics. Can't disclose in clear view but it's bold and beneficial. We're awaiting for the funds.
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