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Chinese jets buzz PAF patrol planes
Topic Started: May 20 2011, 02:10 AM (10,025 Views)
Samir_Duran
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gritpaladin
Jun 15 2011, 05:12 PM
Chowking
Jun 15 2011, 03:33 PM
i wish china becomes friendly again then doing kind of staff
no use this are useless disturbance

China know s it well that Philippines will never give a inch to China

I am Pro China but it still hurts me what they did to PH

Disrespecting other country like that

China today is quite far from its Old Emperors coz those old Kingdoms has some Honor to protect and respects its neighbors. Except China in those days were really Bullying each other coz China is divided to 5 Kingdoms if I am not mistaken and its neighbors like Chosin Empire (Now korea).... Remember the History of Korea, Dunbuyeo & Buyeo Kingdom existed and spread its kingdom into Manchuria...

But I haven't heard of Chinese emperor invading old Philippines except for that Chinese Pirate named Limahong. The old Chinese who goes to the Philippines were Traders and Merchants but never did they mentioned that they owned a Territory named Nansha Islands coz old Chinese traders never believe that these islands are Inhabitable to Humans. Nansha its just a haven for any Traders from Vietnam, China and Philippines.

But I read somewhere here in the net that Filipinos with the Aid of Spaniards once conquered part of Taiwan during the 15th century. it stated that the Spanish and allies established a settlement at Santissima Trinidad, building Fort San Salvador on the northwest coast of Taiwan near Keelung in 1626 which they occupied until 1642

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Taiwan
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taiwan_under_Spanish_rule

In addition to your history, there was a plan during the Ming dynasty to incorporate the Philippines but never happened.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qi...26034942AAPtpzv

"He even had a grand plan to extend Taiwan’s power into the Philippines."
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China plans for world domination--Taiwan first
© 2000 Discerning the Times Digest and NewsBytes
http://www.discerningtoday.org/members/Dig..._domination.htm

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China has recently announced that it is establishing a First and Second Island Defense Lines within which it would consider its zone of influence. China has repeatedly defined that no nation can intervene in any way within its zone of influences. By announcing these lines of defense, China is establishing it as the power of this global region.

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China took a giant step towards war against Taiwan and the US with the release of a white paper on October 16. Entitled, "China's National Defence in 2000", the white paper raised threats of military force against Taiwan, and indirectly to the US to the highest level since Taiwanese president Chen Shiu-bian was elected. On October 18, South China Morning Post quoted the the report as saying "The PLA has the absolute determination, confidence, ability and means to safeguard state sovereignty and territorial integrity and will never tolerate, condone or remain indifferent to the realisation of any scheme to divide the motherland."

The report said the Taiwan situation was "complicated and grim" and offered little hope of a peaceful resolution. "Separatist forces in Taiwan are scheming to split the island from China, in one form or another," it said. "This has seriously undermined the preconditions and foundation for peaceful reunification across the strait." The report issued the strongest language yet in the on-again, off-again rhetoric of war from Beijing. "If a grave turn of events occurs leading to the separation of Taiwan from China in any name, or if Taiwan is invaded and occupied by foreign countries, or if the Taiwan authorities refuse indefinitely the peaceful settlement of cross-strait reunification through negotiations, then the Chinese Government will have no choice but to adopt all drastic measures possible, including the use of force, to safeguard China's sovereignty and territorial integrity." (bold added for emphasis)

The paper stated that the chance for a peaceful resolution between Taiwan and China is "seriously imperiled'' because of "hegemonism and power politics'' -- China's code words for U.S. meddling. "China will have to enhance its capability to defend its sovereignty and security by military means,'' claimed the paper. China expects the US to intervene when they make their move to take Taiwan. Yan Xuetong, an expert in international security at Beijing's prestigious Tsinghua University, claims "Do they prepare against the United States? My answer is very clear: yes."

China's near-term goal more hostile than previously reported

Since early October, Discerning the Times (DTT) has been reporting the stunning announcement made by China about their "first island defense line" that would run from Taiwan through the Spratly Islands to Singapore at the tip of the Malaysian Peninsula. The first island-chains describe the sphere of influence that China expects to achieve in the Pacific Ocean. In essence China was claiming for itself most of the South China Sea and Southeast Asia.

On October 19, NewsMax reported that the white paper presented even greater eye popping ambitions. According to NewsMax, Communist China plans to upgrade its navy to permit it to control "what its military calls 'first island-chain' by 2010 and to the 'second island-chain' by 2040." The NewsMax report greatly expands the already ostentatious goals of the announcement made in early October. "The first island-chain includes Japan, Okinawa, Taiwan, the Philippines and Brunei. The second island-chain extends to Australia’s doorsteps," said NewMax. This has enormous implications. For over a year now, China has repeatedly and vocally demanded that the US and international community has no right to intervene in the internal affairs within its sphere of influence.

By setting their sights on calling all of Southeast Asia and the South Pacific part of their sphere of influence, China is claiming all that happens in these nations and island states their "internal affair," not subject to outside interference. It also validates, if correct, the conclusions by Steven W. Mosher in his book "Hegemon: The Chinese plan to dominate Asia and the rest of the world."

Mosher has found that China has "a three-tiered plan for achieving hegemony (that means a single, all dominant power -- a single axis of power dominating the world). The first is local hegemony. They will move to take back Taiwan -- they are consolidating control over the South China Sea right now, an area about as big as the Mediterranean Sea.... The second stage of hegemony will be regional hegemony where they take back or bring under their control territories that China historically dominated but lost in recent decades."

"The third stage," claims Mosher, "from about 2011 to 2014, the Communist Chinese will have a military force superior to the United States. And I don't even think it is arguable that once they achieve that, they are going to use it." Mosher is correct. China has one of the poorest civil rights records in the world. Its leadership believes the purpose of its citizens is to merely serve the state (i.e. the leaders) and tolerate no activity that may undermine the control of the state over the people. While international trade is important to China, it comes in a distant second to to their primary goal of internal security and becoming a power broker in the world. While the West thinks it is enticing China to join the world in trade, China is using the trade card to position itself for world domination.

China expects a war with the US

China fully expects to have a war with the United States. The minister of defense of the People's Republic of China, Minister Chi Haotian, said not long ago that, "War with the United States was inevitable." Mosher notes that "He didn't say 'possible,' he didn't say 'probable,' he said, 'inevitable.'" The Chinese military has been told by president Jiang Zemin to actually prepare for this war. President Jiang Zemin, the head of the country, the head of the Chinese Communist Party, said to his central military commission, the leading generals in the People's Liberation Army, air force and navy, that they should "... prepare for war with the United States by the year 2008."

Mosher warns that the Chinese already believe "China can win such a conflict with the United States in Asia," such as a Chinese attack on Taiwan. More importantly, however, "they believe that at the end of the day, which means 20 to 30 years down the road," laments Mosher, "that there will only be one country left standing -- a Hegemon -- and they intend for China to be the Hegemon." China's recent war games using 110,000 troops to simulate amphibious landings went way beyond merely intimidating Taiwan. They are group army-sized exercises in full simulation mode. If Mosher's time-table is correct, Taiwan will, of necessity be the first target.

Because China wants Taiwan's economic powerhouse intact they will not depend on conventional brute force to take Taiwan. As explained in the August issue of Discerning the Times Digest, they are more likely to use the 300 short- and mid-range missiles now positioned along the Taiwan Strait instead of a massive air strike or a head-on amphibious assault. Some of these missiles are armed with electromagnetic pulse and neutron atomic bombs that have the ability to take out military bases and naval ships will little collateral damage to Taiwan's economy. The amphibious assault will occur after the military bases are neutralized, and a Chinese provisional government will be established patterned after that of Hong Kong.

The PLA white paper--transparency or smokescreen?

In spite of the obvious threat to the US contained in the white paper, some call the paper a demonstration of openness by China designed to ease concerns of the West about China's intentions. "This is a phenomenal document. It goes far further than anything they've ever done before," enthused David Shambaugh, director of the China Policy Program at George Washington University.

Military sources caution, on the other hand, that the white paper is nothing more than a smokescreen. They point to the huge military expenditures that far exceed the $14.6 billion that the Chinese government officially claim. "China's intensive military buildup in recent years is certainly not targeted only at Taiwan. China's real target is the U.S.," said Taiwanese National Defense University lecturer Colonel Jen Yi-ming. If that is the goal, then the war games utilizing 10,000 soldiers during the second week of October and the 100,000 troops used in amphibious landing training in September demonstrated China's resolve. The military demonstration was the biggest display of Chinese weapons and military skills since 1964.

The white paper paper confirmed that the People's Liberation Army (PLA) - still the world's largest force - has been trimmed to under 2.5 million troops, following a reduction of 500,000 soldiers over the past three years. However, even as president Jiang Zemin called for higher-tech and more realistic training, the exercises proved new capabilities to attack stealth warplanes and cruise missiles, according to CBS on October 17. The Chinese military is becoming leaner, but a lot meaner. NewsMax reports that these military analysts "say it is the height of naiveté to believe that the release of the white paper is nothing more than a smoke screen meant to convey an openness that is in reality an illusion."

China carving out a place in the new world order

Many analysts claim that China's white paper and military war games are merely a bluff to intimidate Taiwan in finding a peaceful resolution for Taiwan to reunify with China. That, however, is about as likely as the Palestinians and Israelis agreeing on a solution for Jerusalem and the Temple mount. It isn't going to happen. Yet, China must have Taiwan to provide the economic power to claim a seat at the table of the emerging new world order. As discussed in August's DTT Digest, China has a plan for even taking Taiwan without destroying it as an economic powerhouse.

Ironically, while the typical American is totally unaware that world government is just around the corner, China fully understands what is happening and is acting to position itself as one of the regional powerhouses and global hegemon. As reported in the September and December issues of DTT Digest last year, the UN and the international community is rapidly developing a plan to divide the world into economic and military regions to administer the emerging global governance. This has not gone unnoticed by China. The recent actions of China and its plans as laid out in the white paper clearly show that they will control one of the ten regions proposed by the UN Security Council in 1997.

Once again, we are reminded of the warning given by Daniel 7:7, 24-25. ‘‘After that, in my vision at night I looked, and there before me was a fourth beast—terrifying and frightening and very powerful. It had large iron teeth; it crushed and devoured its victims and trampled underfoot whatever was left. It was different from all the former beasts, and it had ten horns.... The ten horns are ten kings who will come from this kingdom. After them another king will arise, different from the earlier ones; he will subdue three kings. He will speak against the Most High and oppress his saints and try to change the set times and the laws. The saints will be handed over to him for a time, times and half a time."

China's manipulation of the White House and Congress

To America's shame, China is the most successful nation in the world at manipulating the American system, especially the current administration and Congress. To get most favored nation status China has enlisted Fortune 500 companies to fight their battles for them. "Some of these companies are now pulling the plug on certain grants they've been giving to think tanks when those think tanks become critical of the China trade or publish reports critical of human rights abuses in China," warns Mosher. The whole system of think tanks observing China and getting accurate information is being badly skewed and biased and "it's going to make it increasingly hard for us to defend ourselves in years to come," claims Mosher, because we are making policy on wishful thinking rather than hard facts.

Mosher cautions that while many analysts view the Jewish lobby as having the greatest influence machine in Washington, it is the inscrutable Chinese who hold that honor hands down. The big difference between China and Israel, however, is that China is bent on either dominating us or destroying us. Israel just wants our help. V mc
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Jun 17 2011, 01:03 AM
Sadly the only thing they respect is force. We can tell the current crop of communist managers all we want but it is force or the credible use of force that they will listen to.

They think they have the canos in a position that the canos will not do much about their aggression in the west philippine sea. They expect the usual bluff and bluster by the usa but not for them to actually do anything.

The Hainan incident did not help any regarding China's perception of the americans being weak in will.

Communists usually fight with arms (it's their philosophy)
If you don't want a modern and capable AFP, you might want to get the f*ck off the Philippines because you don't deserve to be a Filipino that's why!
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It may seem that Chinese harassment will continue until we can come up with a credible interception capability. They know we have nothing to chase their jets so let's expect that this Chinese incursion will continue. Now, if we manage to procure a supersonic jet interceptor within this year, at least six of them, and I prefer it to be either an F-16, an F-18 or the Jas-39 Gripen, (only if we're just able to maintain the F-5's or have the necessary spare parts in abundant supply), for sure our fighter pilots are just more than happy to flash their missiles at those damned Chinese.
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Jul 8 2011, 10:14 AM
It may seem that Chinese harassment will continue until we can come up with a credible interception capability. They know we have nothing to chase their jets so let's expect that this Chinese incursion will continue. Now, if we manage to procure a supersonic jet interceptor within this year, at least six of them, and I prefer it to be either an F-16, an F-18 or the Jas-39 Gripen, (only if we're just able to maintain the F-5's or have the necessary spare parts in abundant supply), for sure our fighter pilots are just more than happy to flash their missiles at those damned Chinese.

The PAF prefers twin-engined fighters jets such as the F/A-18 Hornet or the MiG-29 Fulcrum. The Chinese Navy operates the J-7E and J-8II for fighter missions. Strike and anti-ship attacks are carried out by the Q-5, JH-7, Su-30MKK and H-6. The Shi Lang will launch the J-15 Flying Shark (Su-33 copy).
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