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Chinese jets buzz PAF patrol planes
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Topic Started: May 20 2011, 02:10 AM (10,029 Views)
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AVBsupersonic
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Jun 7 2011, 05:33 AM
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- spearhead
- Jun 7 2011, 04:15 AM
Chinese are not naturally bullies. They actually got this bad blood from their northern border of mongolian legendary warrior.
But i do understand why they have to freaking bullying a nation that is virtually defenseless.
The philippines should stand up and remain strong against this all odds. If they have to reactivate and reuse their F5's as they promised before in any worst scenario then do it. Be like Villamor and Basa who courageously fought the japanese Zeros and other mitsubishi fighters eventhough they knew they are outnumbered.
Right now, use diplomacy while upgrading their military capabilities. But they do have to remain resilient.
Meanwhile, china and pakistan are renewing their relationship, and currently forging a new alliance.
Pakistan have recently asked china to build a naval base within their territory. So far, the chinese have invested $200M for this new military facility.
I hope the philippines will not follow this step, though unless if they are that completely convinced that surrendering our territory to the bullies are quite smart for them to do by joining the bigger and a new potential ally. But rihgt now, i dont even think this is the right way to do, i just cant imagine yet that treating our chinese bullies the way we treated the americans by lettingtheir subs and all that naval ships roam our archipelago.
Anyways goodluck to new pakistan-china alliance, and i hope the americans would now switch to philippines and help us with all their might and power to fasten our modernization. Remember, china dont like muslims. And by thinking 'out of the box', let the chinese befriend their new ally in the making, and hope the americans leave them alone - evn cut their ties with pakistan. Those countries are too hard to be trusted.
We'll see if they would last long, since pakistan is home to atleast 200 muslims and most of them are jihadists.
Maybe because of the Bin Laden issue...
Bayaan niyo sila... Magsama silang dalawang TUSO!
I can visualize the end game of all of these... China, NK, Pakistan, Iran creating a "Fucktion" against US and it's Allies.
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Jun 7 2011, 06:00 AM
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@Valdore
BEST FRIEND?
Nearly killing those innocent fishermen on OUR territory, is that a making of a BEST FRIEND?
Nearly ramming our exploration ship on OUR territory, is that a making of a BEST FRIEND?
Insulting OUR pilots patrolling OUR territory by flying by atop of them, is that a making of a BEST FRIEND?
I will kill you with my bare hands you pig eating bastard!
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spearhead
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Jun 7 2011, 06:20 AM
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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^^They also eat our endangered species, they eat them like rice.
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Jun 7 2011, 07:02 AM
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These Chinese even wants to kill our Corals and sell it for ornaments and house fixtures... They even sip the brains of a LIVE Monkey while seeing the poor monkey scream to death while these Pig Chinese enjoys their meal...
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Blue Maxxx
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Jun 7 2011, 11:05 AM
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Ay! yay! yay! yay!.. Nag-ka-gulo tuloy dito sa PDFF.. Valdore Is messing things up again!.. It was Nice and peacful here in PDFF since the past few months and weeks then all the sudden Valdore emerge from HIS Politburo Party Sh!T.. Just like those PLA-N Warship Frigate 560 and the two PLA-AF J-11s buzzing our EEZ and Philippine Territory..
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Per Ardua ad Astra "Through Adversity to the Stars"! We Filipinos should always aim High! to the Stars! and Beyond them blue yonder!.

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KFIR
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Jun 7 2011, 11:25 AM
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- Jun 1 2011, 12:49 AM
The J-11's esssentially being a knockoff of the Su-27's... Good reading: Austrailia Air PowerSinodefence J-11Great range maps on the Aus site regarding AAR and non-AAR...look towards the end of the page. Peace
The J-11 is a Chinese PIRATED COPY of the Russian Su-27!
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Chinese Navy Obtains Illegal Aircraft
May 16, 2010: Satellite photos recently revealed that the Chinese Navy has received J-11 jet fighters. These are illegal Chinese copies of the Russian Su-27. This plagiarism has been a source of friction between Russia and China for over five years. It all began, legally, in 1995, when China paid $2.5 billion for the right to build 200 Su-27s. Russia would supply engines and electronics, with China building the other components according to Russian plans and specifications. But after 95 of the Chinese built aircraft were built, Russia cancelled the agreement. They claimed that China was using the knowledge acquired with this Su-27 program, to build their own copy of the Su-27, the J-11. Russia kept the piracy issue quiet, and warned the Chinese that simply copying Russian technology would produce an inferior aircraft. Apparently the Chinese did not agree, and are continuing their work on the J-11, using only, what they claim is, Chinese technology.
The J-11 is believed to now include better electronics and some other Chinese design modifications. China can manufacture most of the components of the J-11, the one major element it must import are the engines. China believes it will be free from dependence on Russia for military jet engines within the next 5-10 years. Currently, China imports two Russian engines, the $3.5 million AL-31 (for the Su-27/30, J-11, J-10) and the $2.5 million RD-93 (a version of the MiG-29s RD-33) for the JF-17 (a F-16 type aircraft developed in cooperation with Pakistan.)
Meanwhile, Chinese engineers have managed to master most of the manufacturing techniques needed to make a Chinese copy of the Russian AL31F engine. This Chinese copy, the WS10A, was part of a program that has also developed the WS-13, to replace the RD-93. China has long copied foreign technology, not always successfully. But in the last decade, China has poured much money into developing a jet engine manufacturing capability. The Chinese encountered many of the same problems as the Russians did when developing their own engine design and construction skills. But China has several advantages. First, they know of the mistakes the Russians had made, and so were able to avoid many of them. Then there was the fact that China had better access to Western manufacturing technology (both legally and illegally). Finally, China was, unlike the Soviets, able to develop their engine manufacturing capabilities in a market economy. This was much more efficient than the command economy that the Soviets were saddled with for seven decades.
The navy already has a regiment of 24 Su-30s (an advanced version of the Su-27), so they have experience with this type . The J-11s will apparently join the Su-30s in defending Chinese naval bases. Some Chinese designed J-10s have also been spotted in navy colors. The navy's offensive airpower comes in the form of J-8s (a two engine version of the MiG-21, which is no good as a fighter, but proved adequate as a bomber) and even older copies of Russian bombers. The J-11 can also be equipped with anti-ship missiles, and may eventually replace the J-8 and other missile carrying naval aircraft.
The J-8 is an 18 ton, two engine, variant of the MiG-21. This was China's first attempt at building their own aircraft design. But it was not a very original or successful effort. The J-8 first flew in 1969, and didn't get into service until 1980. It was quickly realized that this was a turkey. Fewer than 400 were built. The F-8 carries about three tons of bombs, and is not very maneuverable. China decided to make the most of it, and used the J-8 as a reconnaissance and electronic warfare aircraft. Thus the navy adopted it as well. It was a J-8 that collided with an American EP-3 reconnaissance aircraft off the coast in 2001. The J-8 made the mistake of maneuvering too close to the much slower (propeller driven) EP-3, and crashed. The EP-3 survived and made an emergency landing in China, kicking off months of diplomatic tension.
The J-11 is a continuation of the J-8 effort, but using more modern technology, and three decades of experience building warplanes. Russian concerns about Chinese inexperience are unfounded. The Chinese have a track record in this area, and the J-11 is apparently the best locally manufactured combat aircraft they have yet produced. With the growing Chinese skill in building jet engines, China has entered the big leagues of warplane manufacturing.
Source: http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htnavai/20100516.aspx
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Jun 7 2011, 11:29 AM
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Gentlemen let us be specific here hold your horses for a moment, we must be objective, we are civilized people we don't condemn Chinese in gen'ral. I for one might have chinese blood in me even our national hero has chinese ancestor, What we are against for is Chinese leadership who is tolerating this expansionist idea and bullying weak neighbor to their advantage. It is direct slapped on our face and no respect in our sovereignty as a nation. We don't promote hatred with other people inasmuch we don't like it to happen to us also.
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KFIR
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Jun 7 2011, 12:00 PM
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- superman
- Jun 7 2011, 11:29 AM
Gentlemen let us be specific here hold your horses for a moment, we must be objective, we are civilized people we don't condemn Chinese in gen'ral. I for one might have chinese blood in me even our national hero has chinese ancestor, What we are against for is Chinese leadership who is tolerating this expansionist idea and bullying weak neighbor to their advantage. It is direct slapped on our face and no respect in our sovereignty as a nation. We don't promote hatred with other people inasmuch we don't like it to happen to us also.
Our President is also half-Chinese!
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Jun 7 2011, 04:29 PM
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I suggest that Mr. V will have a thread exclusively just for him (name it Valdore Exclusive) similar to Mr. Epigone's "Garbage Bag". Kahit papano si Epigone, anti commie, pero etong si Valdore WTF.
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KFIR
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Jun 7 2011, 04:45 PM
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I suggest that Mr. V will have a thread exclusively just for him (name it Valdore Exclusive) similar to Mr. Epigone's "Garbage Bag". Kahit papano si Epigone, anti commie, pero etong si Valdore WTF.
I suggest that Valdore be banned from PDFF rather than giving our moderators the extra work of deleting or moving his post to a dedicated garbage thread for him.
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