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Strategic Sealift Vessels (SSV) for the PN [Retitled]
Topic Started: May 17 2011, 07:10 AM (177,954 Views)
Hong Nam
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Aug 28 2013, 01:20 PM
Finally, a clearer picture on the Philippine Navy's Strategic Sealift Vessel
maxdefense.blogspot.com

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Surprisingly, the SSV's basic requirements are similar to the dimensions of PT PAL's SSV offer. This has been posted before in earlier MaxDefense blogs about this project.

Besides the basic information of the ship, there are also more information that MaxDefense finds interesting to discuss with, and here are the following points:

1. Presence of floodable wells and helicopter deck with hangar.
2. Use of Mild Steel per ASTM A131 for the hull.
3. Inclusion of 2 Landing Crafts Mechanized/Utility (LCM/LCU) and 2 Rigid Hull Inflatable Boats (RHIB) per ship.
4. Boat davit capacity of 15 tons while RHIB at full capacity is only around 4 tons.
5. Payload capacity of deck turntables at 25 tons.
6. Helicopter landing deck and hangar capacity requirement.
7. Replenishment as Sea (RAS) capable.
8. Weapons and sensors systems costs are separate from the ship's budget.
9. Types of weapons and sensors for the ship.
10. The SSV are configured as possible flagships.

Full Article here >>

Let's just say for the sake of argument Max is right on those turn-tables. 25 tonne capacity - Stryker?? :drunk:

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Edited by Hong Nam, Aug 28 2013, 05:51 PM.

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i think its time for a new thread in lieu of this or rename this as "2 ssvs for pn"
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The turntables is a case of . . . the right hand not knowing what the left hand is doing. :drunk:

AFPMP-PN-SSV-13-03:

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There is no provisions for turn table or revolving platform system in the bid documents.

This would be more convincing if Propmech wasn't asking about a line item . . .

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Clause No. - Turn table or revolving platform system (4.2.20)

SBB-AFP-PN-SSV-13-04:

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The dimension of the turn table for the vehicle maneuver and loading plan is set at a diameter of 7 meter and with a load capacity of 25 tons, the length of the AAV is at 7.94 m. Likewise, the load capacity is seemingly excessive, clarification is sought as to what is the basis of the 25 tons load capacity since the heaviest troop carrier vehicle in the AFP inventory is the 5 ton trucks. In addition, the length and dimension of the howitzers and long bed trailers should also be considered in the most likely loading plan of equipment and based on these items length, these will not be needing the turn table system.

. . . and how can Stone of David/PT Citra ask a question as detailed as this if those details don't show up in the bid docs? - And in the first place, why in the world would a bidder complain about a provision that doesn't exist?

Someone needs to do their homework. :dunno:
Edited by raider1011, Aug 28 2013, 07:10 PM.
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Bid documents opened for P4-B acquisition of 2 Navy vessels
August 29, 2013

Earlier, nine firms had expressed interest to join the bidding, but seven withdrew and only two appeared Thursday: Daewoo International Corp. (Daesun – Republic of Korea) and PT PAL Indonesia (Indonesia).

Those who withdrew were: Astartez Defense (Philippines), Rescue Solutions JV with Coastal Industries Ptd Ltd (Singapore/ Vietnam), PROPMECH Corporation, Larsena and Toubro (India), Stone of David Tactical Equipment Co., STX Off-Shore Shipbuilding Co. (ROK), and Keppel Philippines Marine, Inc. (Philippines).

The bids panel, after an executive session, had reportedly disqualified Daesun for non-compliance with certain technical specifications. A Daesun representative said they manifested an intent to file a motion for reconsideration.

At posting time, the BAC had yet to open PT PAL’s bid documents.

A 2-page document from Stone of David Tactical Equipment Co., meanwhile, showed why it withdrew from the bidding. The August 29, 2013 letter, addressed to Fernandez, was signed by president-CEO Jocelyn U. Magcale, and listed these reasons:

• The official response of the DND BAC to the numerous procedural and technical inquiries made were either vaguely stated or was inclined, conveniently, towards “function of design” which was to be borne (risk, cost, timeline) by the Suppliers. It must be noted that the Navy’s SSV design (SSV being a renamed project for the former Multi-Role Vessel Project) may most likely have been lifted from the patented designs of Daesun (Makassar) and PT PAL (Banda Aceh); . . .

Interaksyon

Even Propmech backed out. Sana naman homegrown/all-Filipino firms get business from this. :armyskeptic:
Edited by raider1011, Aug 29 2013, 04:35 PM.
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^ So what he's saying in the letter is that the official documents about requirements and specifications are substandard and sloppily done . And he thinks the PN doesn't even know what it wants since the answers to various queries by bidders , are vague and confusing.


Only 2 bidders appeared ...not a good start.
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The official response of the DND BAC to the numerous procedural and technical inquiries made were either vaguely stated or was inclined, conveniently, towards "function of design" which was to be borne (risk, cost, timeline) by the Suppliers. It must be noted that the Navy’s SSV design (SSV being a renamed project for the former Multi-Role Vessel Project) may most likely have been lifted from the patented designs of Daesun (Makassar) and PT PAL (Banda Aceh).

The bids panel, after an executive session, had reportedly disqualified Daesun for non-compliance with certain technical specifications. A Daesun representative said they manifested an intent to file a motion for reconsideration.

At posting time, the BAC had yet to open PT PAL's bid documents.

http://interaksyon.com/article/69643/bid-documents-opened-for-p4-b-acquisition-of-2-navy-vessels

Hope not but it looks like this one is going to be declared a "failure" in bidding.

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The official response of the DND BAC to the numerous procedural and technical inquiries made were either vaguely stated or was inclined, conveniently, towards "function of design" which was to be borne (risk, cost, timeline) by the Suppliers. It must be noted that the Navy’s SSV design (SSV being a renamed project for the former Multi-Role Vessel Project) may most likely have been lifted from the patented designs of Daesun (Makassar) and PT PAL (Banda Aceh).

The bids panel, after an executive session, had reportedly disqualified Daesun for non-compliance with certain technical specifications. A Daesun representative said they manifested an intent to file a motion for reconsideration.

At posting time, the BAC had yet to open PT PAL's bid documents.

http://interaksyon.com/article/69643/bid-documents-opened-for-p4-b-acquisition-of-2-navy-vessels

Hope not but it looks like this one is going to be declared a "failure" in bidding.
Ano pa nga ba? We will expect delays in the SSV Project, that not a contract will be signed until the end of Pnoy administration. They will be again looking for consultants for the SSV. :headbang: This will happen again in the much awaited bidding for the light frigates that is long overdue.
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as mentioned many posts ago, they need technical consultants. this is different from managerial expertise. I hope they reconsider the Daesun bid so theres at least 2 bidders left. otherwise, chances for a failed bidding are higher.
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Indonesian firm bags P4-b Navy supply deal
By Florante S. Solmerin | Posted on Aug. 30, 2013 at 12:01am | 584 views


The Department of National Defense on Thursday declared an Indonesia company as winner of a P4-billion contract to build two multi-role vessels for the Philippine Navy.

The Bids and Awards Committee chaired by Efren Fernandez, Assistant Secretary for Personnel, said that PT PAL Indonesia (Persero) was the “lone eligible bidder” with a bid price offer of P3,863,999,520.

The ship is designed to transport a battalion or 500 soldiers as well as logistics. It must be equipped with a helipad and medical facility for disaster response, according to documents obtained by the Manila Standard Today.

Other firms that bought bid documents include a joint venture between Astartez Defense and Rescue Solution Co. and Coastal Industries PTE. LTD.; PROPMECH Corporation; Daewoo International Corp. (Daesun – Republic of Korea); Larsen and Toubro (India); Stone of David Tactical Equipment Co.; STX Off-Shore Shipbuilding Co. (Korea); Keppel Philippines Marine, Inc.; and PT Citra Shipyard.

Except for STX and Citra, all the rest were present during the opening of bidding documents but did not submit their bid envelop, giving only PT PAL and Daesun the chance to vie for the bidding.

The BAC did not say why the other bidders withdrew.

http://manilastandardtoday.com/2013/08/30/indonesian-firm-bags-p4-b-navy-supply-deal/
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further read

http://www.interaksyon.com/article/69643/bid-documents-opened-for-p4-b-acquisition-of-2-navy-vessels

A 2-page document from Stone of David Tactical Equipment Co., meanwhile, showed why it withdrew from the bidding. The August 29, 2013 letter, addressed to Fernandez, was signed by president-CEO Jocelyn U. Magcale, and listed these reasons:

• The official response of the DND BAC to the numerous procedural and technical inquiries made were either vaguely stated or was inclined, conveniently, towards “function of design” which was to be borne (risk, cost, timeline) by the Suppliers. It must be noted that the Navy’s SSV design (SSV being a renamed project for the former Multi-Role Vessel Project) may most likely have been lifted from the patented designs of Daesun (Makassar) and PT PAL (Banda Aceh);

• The payment schedule of 15-75-10 percentages within a time frame of three ................
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