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Leasing fighter aircraft for the PAF
Topic Started: Aug 11 2010, 12:04 PM (8,869 Views)
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The Malaysians are considering leasing 18 Gripens as a cheaper solution than outright buying. I think the DND should also take a serious look at the leasing option in light of the current difficulties in filling up the modernization budget.



http://www.thesundaily.my/news/497484

PETALING JAYA (Sept 23, 2012): The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) is considering an offer from Sweden to lease up to 18 JAS39 Gripen fighter jets for its Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MRCA) programme.

RMAF chief Tan Sri Rodzali Daud told the Sun leasing the Gripens is a cheaper solution considering the huge capital expenditure needed for the procurement of new fighters.

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The leasing option for various military acquisitions have been discussed before many times but it seems like no one is listening fromthe government side.
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Sep 24 2012, 12:28 PM
The Malaysians are considering leasing 18 Gripens as a cheaper solution than outright buying. I think the DND should also take a serious look at the leasing option in light of the current difficulties in filling up the modernization budget.



http://www.thesundaily.my/news/497484

PETALING JAYA (Sept 23, 2012): The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) is considering an offer from Sweden to lease up to 18 JAS39 Gripen fighter jets for its Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MRCA) programme.

RMAF chief Tan Sri Rodzali Daud told the Sun leasing the Gripens is a cheaper solution considering the huge capital expenditure needed for the procurement of new fighters.

If they are already considering this then it means they don't have the money for Rafales and Eurofighters and will maintain their SU-30MKMs as their front-line fighters and relegate the Gripens as low-cost air-policing.
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Sep 24 2012, 12:28 PM
The Malaysians are considering leasing 18 Gripens as a cheaper solution than outright buying. I think the DND should also take a serious look at the leasing option in light of the current difficulties in filling up the modernization budget.



http://www.thesundaily.my/news/497484

PETALING JAYA (Sept 23, 2012): The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) is considering an offer from Sweden to lease up to 18 JAS39 Gripen fighter jets for its Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MRCA) programme.

RMAF chief Tan Sri Rodzali Daud told the Sun leasing the Gripens is a cheaper solution considering the huge capital expenditure needed for the procurement of new fighters.

this should be the way to go for us. if we gonna buy the JAS-39 Gripen E/F in post 2017 date the Swedish government will offer us some JAS-39 A/B/C/D for free or for lease and might add some AWACS and other goodies. and if we promise them to buy the JAS-39 they can offer what the former Yugoslavia get(free JAS-39 A/B as interim) or just leasing like what the Swiss get.

it's a Win-Win situation where we got a fighter immediately, it cost less to maintain than other fighter plus it's already mult-role that fit use very well.

better than getting some second hand Pure A-A Fighter that nearly 3X(times) the operational cost/hour of the JAS-39
Edited by Furbolling, Sep 25 2012, 11:39 AM.
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Sep 24 2012, 12:28 PM
The Malaysians are considering leasing 18 Gripens as a cheaper solution than outright buying. I think the DND should also take a serious look at the leasing option in light of the current difficulties in filling up the modernization budget.



http://www.thesundaily.my/news/497484

PETALING JAYA (Sept 23, 2012): The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) is considering an offer from Sweden to lease up to 18 JAS39 Gripen fighter jets for its Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MRCA) programme.

RMAF chief Tan Sri Rodzali Daud told the Sun leasing the Gripens is a cheaper solution considering the huge capital expenditure needed for the procurement of new fighters.

this should be the way to go for us. if we gonna buy the JAS-39 Gripen E/F in post 2017 date the Swedish government will offer us some JAS-39 A/B/C/D for free or for lease and might add some AWACS and other goodies. and if we promise them to buy the JAS-39 they can offer what the former Yugoslavia get(free JAS-39 A/B as interim) or just leasing like what the Swiss get.

it's a Win-Win situation where we got a fighter immediately, it cost less to maintain than other fighter plus it's already mult-role that fit use very well.

better than getting some second hand Pure A-A Fighter that nearly 3X(times) the operational cost/hour of the JAS-39
Leasing is not as simple as one might think. From the point of view of the lessor, they might consider very carefully who they will lease their multi-million dollar assets to. If jets are going to be leased out, the lessor might look at the lessee's capability in operating and maintaining the leased items. Does the lessee have well trained pilots, highly skilled maintenance technicians, the right facilities and infrastructure, track record in operating and maintenance of equipment, track record in repayments, credit worthiness, insurable risk, etc? Do you think the PAF will be a good candidate as a lessee for JAS Grippens? If so, then we should be leasing these jets a long time ago.
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^ isn't the training & spares supposed to be part of the lease contract?
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Sep 25 2012, 06:11 PM
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Sep 25 2012, 11:34 AM
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Sep 24 2012, 12:28 PM
The Malaysians are considering leasing 18 Gripens as a cheaper solution than outright buying. I think the DND should also take a serious look at the leasing option in light of the current difficulties in filling up the modernization budget.



http://www.thesundaily.my/news/497484

PETALING JAYA (Sept 23, 2012): The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) is considering an offer from Sweden to lease up to 18 JAS39 Gripen fighter jets for its Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MRCA) programme.

RMAF chief Tan Sri Rodzali Daud told the Sun leasing the Gripens is a cheaper solution considering the huge capital expenditure needed for the procurement of new fighters.

this should be the way to go for us. if we gonna buy the JAS-39 Gripen E/F in post 2017 date the Swedish government will offer us some JAS-39 A/B/C/D for free or for lease and might add some AWACS and other goodies. and if we promise them to buy the JAS-39 they can offer what the former Yugoslavia get(free JAS-39 A/B as interim) or just leasing like what the Swiss get.

it's a Win-Win situation where we got a fighter immediately, it cost less to maintain than other fighter plus it's already mult-role that fit use very well.

better than getting some second hand Pure A-A Fighter that nearly 3X(times) the operational cost/hour of the JAS-39
Leasing is not as simple as one might think. From the point of view of the lessor, they might consider very carefully who they will lease their multi-million dollar assets to. If jets are going to be leased out, the lessor might look at the lessee's capability in operating and maintaining the leased items. Does the lessee have well trained pilots, highly skilled maintenance technicians, the right facilities and infrastructure, track record in operating and maintenance of equipment, track record in repayments, credit worthiness, insurable risk, etc? Do you think the PAF will be a good candidate as a lessee for JAS Grippens? If so, then we should be leasing these jets a long time ago.
The country's budget and economy is the most foremost consideration on this matter before any multi-million company lease their aircraft, in which, our country is not yet capable as of this time...
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The RMAF option of leasing 18 Gripens is an attractive offer, albeit at their present status right now. Thyere due to retire their Migs in 2 years, and their F18 and SU30's needs a supplement by numbers,albeit at a lower operational cost,which the Gripens are a good soultion.

IMHO,while were still concentrating on LIFT and CAS, i may foresee we can think of such deal by 2017.Right now, and the foreseeable 5 years, i think it isnt programmed anywhere on the current modernization bill that was almost beaten to death by legislators. But me thinks, by these time, The NG Gripen may have been in production already, and wouldve solved the short range problem of the current C/D. With a higher payload and AESA, the NG gripen may at this point in time be available to us, thrown in with free A/B models for low cost policing.
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http://www.saabgroup.com/en/Air/Gripen-Fighter-System/Gripen-for-Brazil/The-Fighter-Gripen-NG/

the NG for Brazil specs.more than 20-30pct capable than the current C/D which Thailand got. Range and weapons load matches the F16 block 50/52, cost per flight similar to the current C/D. If these baby wins the world cup in Brazil, unit cost arguably will go down :specool:
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Jim
Sep 25 2012, 06:11 PM
Furbolling
Sep 25 2012, 11:34 AM
seWer Rat
Sep 24 2012, 12:28 PM
The Malaysians are considering leasing 18 Gripens as a cheaper solution than outright buying. I think the DND should also take a serious look at the leasing option in light of the current difficulties in filling up the modernization budget.



http://www.thesundaily.my/news/497484

PETALING JAYA (Sept 23, 2012): The Royal Malaysian Air Force (RMAF) is considering an offer from Sweden to lease up to 18 JAS39 Gripen fighter jets for its Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MRCA) programme.

RMAF chief Tan Sri Rodzali Daud told the Sun leasing the Gripens is a cheaper solution considering the huge capital expenditure needed for the procurement of new fighters.

this should be the way to go for us. if we gonna buy the JAS-39 Gripen E/F in post 2017 date the Swedish government will offer us some JAS-39 A/B/C/D for free or for lease and might add some AWACS and other goodies. and if we promise them to buy the JAS-39 they can offer what the former Yugoslavia get(free JAS-39 A/B as interim) or just leasing like what the Swiss get.

it's a Win-Win situation where we got a fighter immediately, it cost less to maintain than other fighter plus it's already mult-role that fit use very well.

better than getting some second hand Pure A-A Fighter that nearly 3X(times) the operational cost/hour of the JAS-39
Leasing is not as simple as one might think. From the point of view of the lessor, they might consider very carefully who they will lease their multi-million dollar assets to. If jets are going to be leased out, the lessor might look at the lessee's capability in operating and maintaining the leased items. Does the lessee have well trained pilots, highly skilled maintenance technicians, the right facilities and infrastructure, track record in operating and maintenance of equipment, track record in repayments, credit worthiness, insurable risk, etc? Do you think the PAF will be a good candidate as a lessee for JAS Grippens? If so, then we should be leasing these jets a long time ago.
It's true, it is not that simple to lease, nor just buy them out right.

Atleast in leasing, there is an option to bring it back to the lessor (refer to italian F16 leasing option from US), when they reach a point of having difficulties to maintain the units because of financial restrains, or if they opt not to buy them off to get a better platform instead.

Some allied countries have already offered the philippine military to lease some of their big ticket military equipments. That means, they trust the RP government. Now the DND are getting their funds in slowly so might as well go for it.
Edited by spearhead, Sep 26 2012, 11:09 AM.
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