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PNP's Savage sniper rifle; questions for sir Davinci
Topic Started: Jun 20 2010, 09:06 AM (3,602 Views)
desertranger
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Probably just an add on accessories like infrared lasers and gps advertised by distributors designed to achieve the "Wow, I gotta have one of them" effect.. You know nowadays its easy to impress people by making equipment snazzy looking, unique and full of B.S. accessories that they probably wont ever know how to use effectively or easily lost or pilfered...Thats just my own opinions though...A good Marksman or Sniper wont have to rely on them. I think its mainly for photo ops and for saleability to increase the final cost of the weapons system to the buyer. Anyone know of any documented use of snipers being used at night or under limited visibility? If so, I'd surely welcome input... I dont think any commander would risk engaging at night..Especially during a hostage crisis... After all snipers are used for special purpose missions.... Alot of times they are just spotters..since most units are undermanned and double tasked
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Holler
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GPS is an added advantage in navigation, and weather has effects on long range shooting, so a weather tracker provides the sniper team advance info on the weather conditions in the target area.
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Davinci
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Jun 22 2010, 01:42 PM
So should this explain the high purchase price for this advanced sniper system that some posters in the other forum are complaining of?

If true, then the PNP will have a truly world-class precision shooting capability.

Sirs D, SB and SS any idea what brand/make of sniper rifle is this?
Should we expect also Accuracy International Arctic Warfare or HK PSG rifles with the latest nightscopes, spotter scopes, IR lasers, etc?

:asniper:

:dunno: I dont know why posters in the other forum still insist that the Savage costs 810,000 when it is only 140,000 all in, but let them be, we cant do anything about it if that is what they truly believe or want others to believe. :aberet:

The 810,000 price for the advanced sniper rifle as mentioned sir sevenbravo is not just for the rifle itself. The acquisition is for a system, and there are other components in a system, the rifle is just one of them. Some of the latest generation scopes in the system are even more expensive than the rifle. The acquisition of the advanced sniper system will put the PNP on par with the systems of majority of ASEAN police forces, which have this capability well ahead of us.

In due time, the PNP will reveal this new weapon system to the public but in the meantime, let the enemies of the state wonder what they will be encountering soon on the frontlines, doing its duty in keeping this country safer, day and night and in any weather.
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spy shadow
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Very well said Davinci. Sometimes, I wonder what their real agenda is.
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didu
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but the PNP alreasy have the Barett 50 cal sniper rifle, is this not advanced already?
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The Barrett M82 .50 BMG is an anti-materiel rifle, designed to disable or destroy equipment & vehicles rather than people.

A German police SWAT sniper used a Barrett in disabling a robbery suspect's getaway car by shooting the car's engine.

It can be used against people in open areas where the chances of hitting innocent bystanders are minimal.

But hardly in an urban hostage situation.
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Jun 22 2010, 07:32 AM
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Jun 21 2010, 01:53 AM
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Jun 20 2010, 10:31 AM
I thought Timawa posters are a cut above the rest - highly perceptive and  very intelligent, unlike us idiotic & amateurish PDFF wannabe military experts.  :devilwink:  

But hey Adroth, what happened to your boys?




Tormentor,

You will NOT make any comments slamming another forum- especially one whose themes and aims are the same as ours- at this site.

That is your warning.

If you want to still discuss the PNP sniper rifles, do so, but STAY ON TOPIC!

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Correction Mr. Mod, I was not slamming the forum itself, just the two holier-than-thous whose brains were fried by inhaling too much gunpowder. :devilwink:

I agree. You shouldn't been warned for this though.

Now back to topic:

Any details or any plans to acquire some advance scopes for the said sniper rifles if it does include the whole package with the flashing beacons (portable strobe flashers) and thermal scopes with FLIRs?
"Men of War must learn the art of numbers or he will not know how to array his troops." - Plato

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is this the same rifle ?

Bidding for SAF rifles stopped
Journal, 19 November 2010 21:15

PHILIPPINE National Police chief Director General Raul M. Bacalzo stopped the bidding for the purchase of 297 M-16 automatic rifles worth P43 million for the elite PNP Special Action Force amid complaints that it has been rigged to suit a Cebu-based firearms supplier.

“I have stopped the bidding last week following a letter sent to Department of Interior and Local Government Secretary (Jesse) Robredo regarding possible irregularities in the bidding process,” Bacalzo said.

The PNP chief ordered an investigation into the planned purchase of M-16 rifles from Ferfrans, a company in Cebu owned by Alan Francis S. Sy.

PNP deputy chief for administration Deputy Director General Perfecto P. Palad recommended to Bacalzo the thorough review of the bidding procedure amid complaints.

The incident also triggered a revamp of the membership of the PNP Bids and Awards Committee, the Technical Working Group and the Equipment Standardization Board and the Test and Evaluation Acceptance Committee assigned to study logistical purchases by the national police.

“We decided to separate these boards to prevent some personalities from coercing the others. Ayaw natin na isa lang ang pinapaboran dito,” Palad said.

He however clarified that the P43 million supposed budget for the purchase of the new SAF rifles was part of the PNP savings last year.

“It was money saved as a result of our transformation program,” Palad said.

Local suppliers of M-16 rifles in the country sought the help of Bacalzo and Robredo in stopping the purchase of rifles from Ferfrans citing various reasons.

Sy, however told the PNP chief, that these were old issues. He said his company is the supplier of main assault rifle of the PNP-SAF and their bolt assembly is a “product of years of research and inputs.”

Ferfrans, he said, supplied almost 800 SOAR rifles of SAF since 1999, which “performed exemplary in combat.”

In Sy’s letter to Bacalzo, a copy of which was obtained by the Journal Group, he said PNP-SAF experts tested and evaluated several types of firearms but chose their product due to its exemplary performance.

“Due to its exemplary performance, more procurements were made by the PNP-SAF through the DBM (Department of Budget and Management) Procurement Service. We were also categorized as a special weapon but when word came out that the rifle had full controllability and had no muzzle climb at full auto fire, the PNP GHQ through the Directorate for Logistics, included in its specification the Independent Sear System for the procurement of 1,000 rifles for the PNP-SAF and other regional units of the PNP,” he said.

Sy said the PNP’s procurement of 500 rifles from them in 2009 was also questioned by their rivals, but the PNP defended the purchase.
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This is not the same rifle. The rifle that is discussed here is a .308 Tactical Sniper system that includes all the gadgets for day and night sniping.
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Spoke with the brother of Alan in the US with regards to this rifle order, the bolt specification is a feature that SAF wanted. All FERFRANS did was to research and develop a product that the PNP-SAF wants on their rifle in the year 1999. He also mentioned to me that the rifles are intended to have piston operating system. The problem now is that the other dealers can not comply with these specifications. The PNP-SAF has been asking this for a long time including the issue last year and the competing dealers still did not want to comply and continue to enforce their products and threaten the PNP with complaints of irregularities using the media. If this doesn't work like last year, they will question the PNP's research and development capabilities. The dealers are bullying the PNP. He said that this is the same issue last year so the dealers know already what the SAF wants. He even mentioned other products that the other dealers can use to comply with these sepcifications that I promised to keep confidential.

In fact FERFRANS is very thankful to the PNP-SAF because they just submitted this feature to the US ARMY M4 Carbine Modification Program. The US Army wants an improvement on their M4 Carbine which includes a thicker barrel profile and wants all their carbine capable of Full-Auto Fire instead of the 3 round burst. The US ARMY's direction on what improvements they want on their M4 Carbine is already used by the PNP-SAF since the year 2000.

The brother also told me that if the PNP wants another feature or added advantage, they will again comply with the PNP's modernization and capability enhancement program becasue they think that these are good inputs for their product development.

He gave me an example of the tactical sniper Rifle that is discussed here, have to change the stock 3 times to accomodate what the PNP-SAF wants. That is why there was a TSR I and a TSR II. For every procurment, there are new specifications so they developed a new stock that is modular. In the case the specification changes again, they will use the same base stock. This feature again is being looked up by the law enforcement community in the US.

My two cents on this matter:
I was prevy to the reports last year and almost :asniper: all the officers in the PNP has been changed. The President is new and still the PNP-SAF wants the rifle that they designed and used since 1999. I suggest that the POlice Commission ask the troops and the officers of the entire PNP-SAF and the PNP in general what they want instead of bullying them with media.




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