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| Alternatives to Anti-Ship Missiles; If the PN cannot afford AShM | |
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| KFIR | Jun 11 2010, 09:40 AM Post #21 |
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Use the same naval strategy and tactic that were used by the PT boats in WW2. I am also positive that if the Philippine Navy will use this missile technology that they will not use the ATGM as its primary weapon and will remain defensive - use the ATGM only when it is needed. The Philippine Navy will not be putting itself at war if they will be arming their ships with missiles... they will still be a patrol force... warning shots are given first using guns to alert intruding ships that they are crossing our border. The Oto Melara guns will still play the biggest part. |
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| Uzi 0 | Jun 11 2010, 05:52 PM Post #22 |
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ww2 PT boat tactics wont work if you have short range weapons, current fast attack missile boats have missiles with equal or longer range with that of larger vessels. |
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| KFIR | Jun 12 2010, 06:50 AM Post #23 |
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Now who do you think will the Philippine Navy will be waging war with? The Philippine Navy is not modernizing its fleet to match and attack foreign warships - they will still be an all-defensive patrol force. The need for missiles is to augment the naval guns that we have but the problem is the Philippine Navy cannot afford even the cheapest and most widely used anti-ship missiles. My online research was to provide an alternative solution and it was proven by some foreign navies that anti-tank guided missiles can be used by the navy. |
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| Uzi 0 | Jun 12 2010, 07:24 AM Post #24 |
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Illogical, you are advocating for a defensive posture for your proposed Spike-armed patrol force but you do not know the PNs potential enemies. Offense or defense, you have to know your potential enemies and their capabilities against your own capabilities. |
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| KFIR | Jun 12 2010, 08:03 AM Post #25 |
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Who will be the Philippine Navy's potential enemies? That didn't answer my question. Anyway... I am more inclined on the American Hellfire ATGM not the Israeli Spike-ER because it has a model specifically designed for navy use: AGM-114N Hellfire II * Target: Enclosures, ships, urban targets, air defense units * Range: 8,000 m (8,749 yd) * Guidance: o Semi-active laser homing * Warhead: Metal augmented charge (MAC) (Thermobaric) * Weight: 48 kg (105 lb) * Length: 163 cm (64 in) |
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| KFIR | Jun 12 2010, 11:20 AM Post #26 |
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Update about the Hellfire ATGM as an anti-ship weapon and foreign navies using it... A Blast Frag Warhead for the Hellfire Missile to Defeat Ships and Bunkers
http://www.g2mil.com/commandos.htm
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread348368/pg1 |
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| Dreamrider | Jun 12 2010, 04:48 PM Post #27 |
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Kfir, potential enemies of the Philippines are China, Malaysia, Vietnam. Those countries have warships armed with proper anti ship missiles. Hellfire or Spike missiles will only be effective against small enemy ships. |
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| Marschall | Jun 12 2010, 06:22 PM Post #28 |
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or against pirates |
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"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei “When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you. | |
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| Rapidfire | Jun 13 2010, 07:20 AM Post #29 |
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^^ and big trawlers from Taiwan which are heavily poaching the fish in our waters. Let's buy one Hellfire and test it on one of these poachers, if the Taiwanese trawler sinks then we buy more.
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| KFIR | Jun 13 2010, 11:57 AM Post #30 |
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I see... thanks! Well will the Philippines be engaging those countries in a war any time soon? When will their warships be used against us? Using a missile like the ATGM can yes be very effective in catching up with armed poachers and pirates who uses faster boats than our patrol boats. |
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