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| Alternatives to Anti-Ship Missiles; If the PN cannot afford AShM | |
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| Aerocobra | May 27 2010, 04:55 PM Post #11 |
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Titan Corp is no more, acquired by L3 Communications, same defense contractor that developed the SeaFighter catamaran. The AWS is still in development stage by L3's Advanced Systems Division, serial production said to be nlt 2012. |
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| spraret | May 28 2010, 05:47 AM Post #12 |
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Looks like a Russian company beat the US to the draw with their own version of a shipping container missile: Club K Container Missile System |
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| KFIR | Jun 8 2010, 11:47 AM Post #13 |
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I made an online research about weapons that are effective for anti-ship use other than the regular expensive anti-ship guided missiles like the Tomahawk and Harpoon... I found out that torpedoes are still effective in sinking ships as what was used in WW2 as well as relatively-cheaper (when compared to real anti-ship missiles) anti-tank guided missiles like the Israeli Spike-ER and the American Hellfire. I concluded that anti-tank guided missiles can be launched from warships with minimal fire control systems and the Philippine Navy can look into this as an alternative in arming their warships with anti-ship missiles in their modernization effort. Reference: http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/navy-mar...missiles-10323/ The Chinese developed a modern torpedo that can be launched from a boat not a warship...
The BRP Rajah Humabon was an ex-USN Cannon-class destroyer escort that used to be armed with 21 in. torpedo tubes (1×3) but I am not sure if this was for anti-ship use or for anti-submarine warfare. The Cheonan incident is a strong evidence of how powerful torpedoes can still be used against warships. My question is what is a modern warship's defense against torpedoes?
Finland uses the Israeli Spike-ER for coastal defense against intruding warships.
The TOW anti-tank guided missile is a wire-guided missile platform but such guidance for me looks odd for naval use. A "fire-and-forget" missile would be much better for the Navy so the gunner won't have to electronically guide the missile with thin wires to its destination. What if a flying fish gets in the way and broke the wire guiding the missile? Hehehe
Now this is a documented proof with a video that a "fire-and-forget" anti-tank guided missile can be launched from a naval vessel for anti-ship use. When you buy an anti-tank guided missile the system already includes all the electronics needed to find its target and fire the weapon so that means the navy vessel does not need to install extra.
See http://www.lockheedmartin.com/data/assets/...ProductCard.pdf - the picture on the left side below the helicopter gunship is a Hellfire anti-tank guided missile launched from what appears to be a warship.
Can the Simbad launcher (commonly used to launch Mistral SAMs aboard warships like the Endurance-class of the Singapore Navy) be used to launch Hellfire and Spike-ER ATGMs for Anti-Ship use? Any information about this missile launcher system? --- I hope this thread can help our Philippine Navy modernization program and credits goes to my online sources in defencetalk.com/forums! |
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| KFIR | Jun 8 2010, 12:07 PM Post #14 |
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You may want to read my thread too which can address to the Philippine Navy's needs for an affordable but proven solution to have missiles - Alternatives to Anti-Ship Missiles |
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| ctrlaltdel | Jun 8 2010, 11:47 PM Post #15 |
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you mean to say that there is a specific torpedo for targeting surface vessels and another type for submarines? |
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| Marschall | Jun 9 2010, 05:50 PM Post #16 |
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Actually sounds like a good idea: arm the current vessels with such missiles. better yet: one could locally build high-speed - perhaps stealthy - boats armed with this anti-tank missiles to patrol our waters: would anyone risk losing a big warship to a small boat with a relatively cheap missile? |
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| Rapidfire | Jun 9 2010, 06:32 PM Post #17 |
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Possible but the Spike ER has a maximum range of 8000m or 8kms only - our boat has to be within that range for the missile to reach its intended target, now here's the problem: As theoretical captain of our Spike-armed boat, how will you maneuver your boat within 8km of the target ship without being detected? Easy if your target is an unarmed merchant ship, but what if its a corvette equipped with OTH sensors and armed with AShM with a range of 80km and a 100mm gun with a range of 30km? |
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| zundino | Jun 9 2010, 07:17 PM Post #18 |
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Easy... turn on invisibility cloak Seriously, against our potential external enemy's warships, the Spike-equipped boats are toast - detected, targeted, hit & sunk well outside the 8-km launch point. |
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| maverick | Jun 9 2010, 09:34 PM Post #19 |
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ouch,ugly truth. To make it short there is NO ALTERNATIVE for AShM. |
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| mazingu | Jun 9 2010, 10:07 PM Post #20 |
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Well it can still be used, against vessels of terrorists, smugglers & poachers.
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