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| The PhilAF does not need LIFT aircraft | |
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| raider1011 | Oct 8 2009, 09:11 AM Post #51 |
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Even if they don't offer it for free (and even then the PAF will be dipping into its pockets for shipping, spare parts, etc.) the point remains they'll be getting a quality product at a huge discount. Whoever objects to this enterprise without getting the facts should have their head examined. I'm trying to find out what model radar range-finder the T-59 has installed, which is something the S211 doesn't have. I'm guessing it's either an Israeli product from the Kfir or the Italian copy for the AMX. Either way, this is not just a trainer, it's a legitimate ground attack machine and heir apparent for the PAF's OV-10 Broncos. |
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God grant me the courage not to give up what I think is right even though I think it is hopeless. || Chester W. Nimitz Loyalty to the Nation ALL the time, loyalty to the Government when it deserves it. || Mark Twain | |
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| raider1011 | Oct 8 2009, 11:44 AM Post #52 |
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They're demobbing those Hawks in 2012, right? |
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God grant me the courage not to give up what I think is right even though I think it is hopeless. || Chester W. Nimitz Loyalty to the Nation ALL the time, loyalty to the Government when it deserves it. || Mark Twain | |
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| shooter | Oct 8 2009, 08:10 PM Post #53 |
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I hope so. Aside, from the T-41s that they have recently given as a commemoration of our participation in the Korean war, I think the South Koreans also gave (actually sold it for a token price of $100 each, am I right? Kindly correct me if I am wrong.) some F-5s in the past for the same commemoration. I do hope that they do the same for the Hawks. The RP has a very healthy military/defense relationship with the ROK. South Koreans are like our brothers from another mother.
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| Gasmal | Oct 11 2009, 12:49 PM Post #54 |
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my friend... PhilAF need to send 1-2 batch then buy LIFT... as a transition to modern jet fighter/MRCA. I dont know but personally i just dont like military stuff from Korea but Turkey is much much more better. |
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| truegrit | Nov 1 2009, 11:12 AM Post #55 |
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If we fail to consider those ex-SK Hawks then we can consider buying ex-Ukrainian L39C jet from US.... http://www.prideaircraft.com/forsale.htm Dapat ito na rin ang personal jet ni GMA for a quick fast travel to other countries....get 2 of them ...One for the President and the other for the 2nd Highest Ranking Official. Security staff and members of the entourage will go in advance via business class. |
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| Valdore | Nov 21 2009, 11:59 AM Post #56 |
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The BAE Hawk 128 is the perfect choice for the PAF's LIFT program.. Hawk 120/LIFT The Hawk Lead-in Fighter Trainer (LIFT) is the version selected by the South African Air Force in December 1999. This variant is powered by the Adour 951. The LIFT benefits from development carried out for the Australian Mk. 127. Hawk 127 of No. 76 Squadron RAAF in special "cougar" colour scheme.The next generation Hawks (120, 127 and 128) feature a new wing, forward and centre fuselage, fin and tailplane. The aircraft have only 10% commonality with the existing first generation aircraft. The new variants also have four times the fatigue life of the original aircraft. Hawk 128 (Hawk T2) A Hawk T2 of the Royal Air Force in 2009The Hawk 128 is the new Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) for the RAF and Royal Navy. The Mk. 128 includes modern LCD displays instead of conventional instrumentation, and allows preparation for flying modern fighter aircraft, particularly the all "glass" Typhoon. It uses the Rolls-Royce Adour 951 engine. The UK Ministry of Defence awarded a Design and Development Contract to BAE Systems on 22 Dec 2004,[16] building on the design of the Australian Mk. 127 Hawk 132 Production line of the Hawk 132 at HAL, BangaloreThe Hawk Mk. 132 is the latest export variant of the Hawk and was previously known as the Mk. 115Y. The Mk. 132 formally entered service with the Indian Air Force (IAF) on 23 February 2008[19] after one of the most protracted procurement processes in India's history, with two decades having elapsed between the initial interest and the contract signing on 26 March 2004. The IAF was to receive 24 aircraft directly from BAE Systems, with deliveries beginning in November 2007, and the remaining 42 to be assembled by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited between 2008 and 2011.[20]. BAE Systems has delivered the 24th and final UK built Indian Hawk in November 2009[21]. HAL handed over the first locally-built Hawk 132 to the IAF on 14 August 2008.[22] These aircraft will be powered by Rolls Royce Mk 871 turbo fan engine. So.. This is It! Guys!..
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| Blue Maxxx | Dec 13 2009, 11:29 AM Post #57 |
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The Phil Air Force always have the need for LIFT Jet Trainers, I propose they just by an advance LIFT Trainer Jet like M.346![]() The M-346 Master is an advanced and lead-in fifth-generation fighter trainer being developed by Aermacchi SpA (Italy), a Finmeccanica company. The aircraft is a development of the YAK/AEM-130, a joint programme with Yakolev Design Bureau and Sokol Manufacturing Plant of Russia. In July 2000, Aermacchi announced that it would cancel the joint project and develop the aircraft alone, as the M-346. The M-346 prototype completed its first flight in July 2004. The second prototype made its maiden flight in May 2005. The first low-rate initial production aircraft made its maiden flight in July 2008. The Italian Air Force (ITAF), the launch customer, will receive the first batch of 15 M-346 Master aircraft. Alenia Aermacchi signed a contract with ITAF in June 2009 to supply M-346 jets with deliveries to begin in 2009. The M-346 was successful in its first air-to-air refuelling tests and several techniques performed by ITAF and the company pilots. In April 2009, Alenia Aermacchi received the design organisation military approval (DOMA) certificate for the M-346 Master allowing autonomous and direct management of the homologation process including continuation of its airworthiness. DOMA also enables Alenia Aermacchi to streamline M-346 interface with the DGAA (Direzione Generale Armamenti Aeronauticiefficient) and improve internal design and development processes of the aircraft. The M-346 provides combat pilot training for front line fighters with high angle-of-attack capability. The aerodynamic design of the M-346 uses vortex lift to provide manoeuvrability and controllability at very high angle-of-attack using a fly-by-wire control system. Armaments are carried on nine external store stations, six of which are underwing, equipped with 1,000lb class ejector release units, and two wingtip stations for air-to-air missiles. The under-fuselage station carries avionics pods or a 300l conformal fuel tank. The system data presentation and control functions of the stores management system use any one of the multifunction displays in both cockpits. Hands-on throttle and stick (HOTAS) controls are used to select the weapons. Weapon aiming is controlled by the central main processor, aiming data being presented to the pilots through the head-up display (HUD) or the helmet-mounted display (HMD). The weapons carried include: MK82 500lb and MK83 1,000lb free fall or retarded bombs; rocket launchers; AIM-9 Sidewinder short-range air-to-air missiles; Raytheon AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missiles; MBDA (formerly Alenia) Marte MK-2A anti-ship missiles. The external hard points can also carry the Vinten VICON-601 reconnaissance pod, laser designator pod, radar warning receiver pod and Elettronica ELT-55 electronic countermeasures pod. For fighter trainer role, self-protection system functions and simulated tactical scenario threats are presented and monitored on the multifunction displays. For operational roles, the aircraft is fitted with a radar warning receiver, chaff and flares dispensers, and active electronic countermeasures. The cockpit is representative of the latest-generation combat aircraft, and each crew position is equipped with raster / stroke type head-up display (HUD), full-colour liquid crystal multifunction displays (three in each cockpit), helmet-mounted display with threat simulation capability, night-vision goggle (NVG) compatible instrumentation and hands-on throttle and stick (HOTAS) controls. The cockpits can be fitted with MK16 ejection seats from Martin Baker of Uxbridge, UK. Avionics The avionics architecture is based on a dual-redundant MIL-STD-1553B digital data bus which has capacity for additional systems. The communication suite includes a VHF/UHF transceiver and an IFF transponder. The navigation suite includes a laser gyro inertial navigation system with an embedded GPS receiver, and a tactical air navigation (TACAN) and VHF omnidirectional radio ranging (VOR/IIS/MB). The flight control system (FCS) is a full authority digital fly-by-wire quadruple-redundant system, which includes four BAE Systems Italia flight control computers. The FCS provides the aircraft with controllability up to angles of attack (AoA) of 35° and higher, g-limitation, stall and spin prevention, and maximum Angle of Attack (AoA) limitation. It can be adapted to various degrees of automation and autopilot modes with reversionary modes featuring automatic selection for use in case of damage or failures. Turbofan engines Povazke Strojarne L.M. was to be the supplier of the two DV-2S twin-shaft turbofan engines for the YAK/AEM-130. For the M-346, these are replaced with two Honeywell / ITEC F124-GA-200 turbofan engines, produced with Fiat Avio. There is also a closed-circuit self-contained aerobatics lubrication system and dual channel Full Authority Digital Engine Control (FADEC). So maybe this could be the answer to the Phil Air Force advance trainer.. |
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