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The PhilAF does not need LIFT aircraft
Topic Started: Sep 13 2009, 01:09 AM (4,888 Views)
raider1011


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Mark Ritson, BAE Systems' director, public relations, Asia speaks highly of South Korean abilities in the aerospace sector.

He points out that the Republic of Korea Air Force (RoKAF), which has operated his company's Hawk jet trainers for 10 years, has the highest maintenance reliability record of any operator of the type, including the UK Royal Air Force.

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Even if they don't offer it for free (and even then the PAF will be dipping into its pockets for shipping, spare parts, etc.) the point remains they'll be getting a quality product at a huge discount. Whoever objects to this enterprise without getting the facts should have their head examined.

I'm trying to find out what model radar range-finder the T-59 has installed, which is something the S211 doesn't have. I'm guessing it's either an Israeli product from the Kfir or the Italian copy for the AMX. Either way, this is not just a trainer, it's a legitimate ground attack machine and heir apparent for the PAF's OV-10 Broncos.
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Oct 8 2009, 12:24 AM
They must give it to the Philippines because we are not only a potential customer of the South Korean-made trainers. We have already purchased many military goodies from them like the KM-25/KM-50 trucks, the KM-450 trucks, the K-3 SAWs, and infinite 2.5 inch rockets for the air force. Also, we have helped liberate them from the commies during the Korean War. They must know that the Philippines has sent more soldiers than France during that war (source : Wikipedia).

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'The Korean government is one with you in helping advance the Philippine military,' said South Korean ambassador Choi Jung Kyung as he presented the T-41B trainer planes at the site of the former US Clark Air Base near Angeles City, north of Manila.

The 15 surplus South Korean planes were given to the Philippines as part of a military cooperation programme as well as in commemoration of Philippine assistance provided to allied forces during the Korean War.

Buying the planes would have cost the Philippine government 37 million pesos (S$1.18 billion), but the donation meant the military only spent four million pesos on the transport and assembly of the aircraft, air force officials said.

Straits Times

Choi, at the turnover rites, said, "The Korean government is one with you in helping advance the Philippine military."

Officials earlier said the aircraft are a "token of friendship" from the South Koreans whom Filipino forces helped during the Korean war in the 1950s. A number of military assets had been transferred by the Koreans to the Philippines in the past years.

Choi implied more assistance is coming to the Philippines.

"Please consider this as our contribution to strengthen the national defense of the Philippines and I am hoping that we will not end here. As in the past years, there will be many exchanges in areas of training and specialization between the Philippines and Korean militaries,"
he said.

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The disassembled planes left the port of Pusan, South Korea last December 4 and arrived four days later at Manila’s South Harbor. These were then hauled by PAF to its 410th Maintenance Wing facility in Clark for assembly. Initially targeted for completion on February 16, the PAF mechanics finished reassembling the 15 planes four days ahead of schedule on February 12.

The arrival of the trainer planes will greatly enhance the operational readiness of the entire Philippine Air Force, especially in training its pilots for the transition to territorial defense mode in 2012 from the current internal security operations of the Armed Forces of the Philippines.

Public Information Office, Headquarters Philippine Air Force

They're demobbing those Hawks in 2012, right?
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raider1011
Oct 8 2009, 11:44 AM
They're demobbing those Hawks in 2012, right?

I hope so.

Aside, from the T-41s that they have recently given as a commemoration of our participation in the Korean war, I think the South Koreans also gave (actually sold it for a token price of $100 each, am I right? Kindly correct me if I am wrong.) some F-5s in the past for the same commemoration.

I do hope that they do the same for the Hawks.

The RP has a very healthy military/defense relationship with the ROK. South Koreans are like our brothers from another mother.

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Sep 29 2009, 10:30 AM
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Sep 28 2009, 05:40 PM
a bit wierd when some of us say that PhiAL does not need LIFT.

you really need LIFT aircraft... first you need trainer like pilatus..and for advance training you need LIFT before move to jet fighter like F-16, MiG, Su or F-15.

you cannot rely on simulator.

thats why we are going to send our pilots in U.S to train them para wla ng LIFT na kailangan.

my friend... PhilAF need to send 1-2 batch then buy LIFT... as a transition to modern jet fighter/MRCA.

I dont know but personally i just dont like military stuff from Korea but Turkey is much much more better.
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If we fail to consider those ex-SK Hawks then we can consider buying ex-Ukrainian L39C jet from US....

http://www.prideaircraft.com/forsale.htm

Dapat ito na rin ang personal jet ni GMA for a quick fast travel to other countries....get 2 of them ...One for the President and the other for the 2nd Highest Ranking Official.
Security staff and members of the entourage will go in advance via business class.
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The BAE Hawk 128 is the perfect choice for the PAF's LIFT program..

Hawk 120/LIFT
The Hawk Lead-in Fighter Trainer (LIFT) is the version selected by the South African Air Force in December 1999. This variant is powered by the Adour 951. The LIFT benefits from development carried out for the Australian Mk. 127.


Hawk 127 of No. 76 Squadron RAAF in special "cougar" colour scheme.The next generation Hawks (120, 127 and 128) feature a new wing, forward and centre fuselage, fin and tailplane. The aircraft have only 10% commonality with the existing first generation aircraft. The new variants also have four times the fatigue life of the original aircraft.

Hawk 128 (Hawk T2)

A Hawk T2 of the Royal Air Force in 2009The Hawk 128 is the new Advanced Jet Trainer (AJT) for the RAF and Royal Navy. The Mk. 128 includes modern LCD displays instead of conventional instrumentation, and allows preparation for flying modern fighter aircraft, particularly the all "glass" Typhoon. It uses the Rolls-Royce Adour 951 engine. The UK Ministry of Defence awarded a Design and Development Contract to BAE Systems on 22 Dec 2004,[16] building on the design of the Australian Mk. 127

Hawk 132

Production line of the Hawk 132 at HAL, BangaloreThe Hawk Mk. 132 is the latest export variant of the Hawk and was previously known as the Mk. 115Y. The Mk. 132 formally entered service with the Indian Air Force (IAF) on 23 February 2008[19] after one of the most protracted procurement processes in India's history, with two decades having elapsed between the initial interest and the contract signing on 26 March 2004. The IAF was to receive 24 aircraft directly from BAE Systems, with deliveries beginning in November 2007, and the remaining 42 to be assembled by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited between 2008 and 2011.[20]. BAE Systems has delivered the 24th and final UK built Indian Hawk in November 2009[21]. HAL handed over the first locally-built Hawk 132 to the IAF on 14 August 2008.[22] These aircraft will be powered by Rolls Royce Mk 871 turbo fan engine.

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So.. This is It! Guys!.. :armycool:
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The Phil Air Force always have the need for LIFT Jet Trainers, I propose they just by an advance LIFT Trainer Jet like M.346
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The M-346 Master is an advanced and lead-in fifth-generation fighter trainer being developed by Aermacchi SpA (Italy), a Finmeccanica company. The aircraft is a development of the YAK/AEM-130, a joint programme with Yakolev Design Bureau and Sokol Manufacturing Plant of Russia. In July 2000, Aermacchi announced that it would cancel the joint project and develop the aircraft alone, as the M-346.

The M-346 prototype completed its first flight in July 2004. The second prototype made its maiden flight in May 2005. The first low-rate initial production aircraft made its maiden flight in July 2008. The Italian Air Force (ITAF), the launch customer, will receive the first batch of 15 M-346 Master aircraft. Alenia Aermacchi signed a contract with ITAF in June 2009 to supply M-346 jets with deliveries to begin in 2009. The M-346 was successful in its first air-to-air refuelling tests and several techniques performed by ITAF and the company pilots.

In April 2009, Alenia Aermacchi received the design organisation military approval (DOMA) certificate for the M-346 Master allowing autonomous and direct management of the homologation process including continuation of its airworthiness. DOMA also enables Alenia Aermacchi to streamline M-346 interface with the DGAA (Direzione Generale Armamenti Aeronauticiefficient) and improve internal design and development processes of the aircraft.

The M-346 provides combat pilot training for front line fighters with high angle-of-attack capability. The aerodynamic design of the M-346 uses vortex lift to provide manoeuvrability and controllability at very high angle-of-attack using a fly-by-wire control system.

Armaments are carried on nine external store stations, six of which are underwing, equipped with 1,000lb class ejector release units, and two wingtip stations for air-to-air missiles. The under-fuselage station carries avionics pods or a 300l conformal fuel tank.

The system data presentation and control functions of the stores management system use any one of the multifunction displays in both cockpits. Hands-on throttle and stick (HOTAS) controls are used to select the weapons. Weapon aiming is controlled by the central main processor, aiming data being presented to the pilots through the head-up display (HUD) or the helmet-mounted display (HMD).

The weapons carried include: MK82 500lb and MK83 1,000lb free fall or retarded bombs; rocket launchers; AIM-9 Sidewinder short-range air-to-air missiles; Raytheon AGM-65 Maverick air-to-ground missiles; MBDA (formerly Alenia) Marte MK-2A anti-ship missiles.

The external hard points can also carry the Vinten VICON-601 reconnaissance pod, laser designator pod, radar warning receiver pod and Elettronica ELT-55 electronic countermeasures pod.

For fighter trainer role, self-protection system functions and simulated tactical scenario threats are presented and monitored on the multifunction displays.

For operational roles, the aircraft is fitted with a radar warning receiver, chaff and flares dispensers, and active electronic countermeasures.

The cockpit is representative of the latest-generation combat aircraft, and each crew position is equipped with raster / stroke type head-up display (HUD), full-colour liquid crystal multifunction displays (three in each cockpit), helmet-mounted display with threat simulation capability, night-vision goggle (NVG) compatible instrumentation and hands-on throttle and stick (HOTAS) controls.

The cockpits can be fitted with MK16 ejection seats from Martin Baker of Uxbridge, UK.

Avionics
The avionics architecture is based on a dual-redundant MIL-STD-1553B digital data bus which has capacity for additional systems. The communication suite includes a VHF/UHF transceiver and an IFF transponder. The navigation suite includes a laser gyro inertial navigation system with an embedded GPS receiver, and a tactical air navigation (TACAN) and VHF omnidirectional radio ranging (VOR/IIS/MB).

The flight control system (FCS) is a full authority digital fly-by-wire quadruple-redundant system, which includes four BAE Systems Italia flight control computers.

The FCS provides the aircraft with controllability up to angles of attack (AoA) of 35° and higher, g-limitation, stall and spin prevention, and maximum Angle of Attack (AoA) limitation.

It can be adapted to various degrees of automation and autopilot modes with reversionary modes featuring automatic selection for use in case of damage or failures.

Turbofan engines
Povazke Strojarne L.M. was to be the supplier of the two DV-2S twin-shaft turbofan engines for the YAK/AEM-130. For the M-346, these are replaced with two Honeywell / ITEC F124-GA-200 turbofan engines, produced with Fiat Avio.

There is also a closed-circuit self-contained aerobatics lubrication system and dual channel Full Authority Digital Engine Control (FADEC).

So maybe this could be the answer to the Phil Air Force advance trainer..
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