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The PhilAF does not need LIFT aircraft
Topic Started: Sep 13 2009, 01:09 AM (4,890 Views)
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So you your saying that PhilAF pilots who are rated in the S211 cannot transition into a F-18 or F-16....... wow. The Austrian AF pilots must be better than PhilAF pilots since they transition into EFA Typhoons from turboprops.?
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Austria nears decision on new advanced jet trainer

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DATE:04/08/08
SOURCE:Flight International

Austria expects to make a decision on its future advanced jet trainer strategy in late August, with options including a limited avionics upgrade to its Saab 105s, replacement equipment such as the Alenia Aermacchi M-346 and BAE Systems Hawk, or interim access to Northrop F-5s.

Although it is a member of the multinational Advanced European Jet Pilot Training initiative, Austria intends to retain its own AJTs to operate beneath its eventual fleet of 15 Eurofighter Typhoons.

This stems from the need to download some training activities from the fighter, and to retain a secondary armed air policing capability in the event that the nation ever has to ground its Typhoons.

"It is an absolute must for us to have our own aircraft," says Col Roman Horak from the Austrian defence ministry's training directorate. "The investment in the training aircraft should save a lot of money," he adds.

"We believe that the minimum number on the flightline should be six," says Horak, who notes that "a contract should not be later than 2012." A turboprop solution has already been discounted, as "in the opinion of our personnel, you cannot compare the [Pilatus] PC-21 to any of those AJTs, in terms of the feeling and procedures," he says.

Vienna has already ceased using the F-5 as a lead-in fighter trainer, and signed an interim agreement to send two students a year to use the NATO Flying Training in Canada system.

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Saab 105 O - Twin engine, max. speed: 603 mph
S-211 - Single engine, max. speed: 414 mph

Goodbye to the F-5E Tiger (Austrian AF interim fighter)
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So they bought the Typhoon MRF, before even considering a LIFT.
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They already had one, and are considering a replacement.

raider1011
Oct 6 2009, 05:14 AM
Vienna has already ceased using the F-5 as a lead-in fighter trainer, and signed an interim agreement to send two students a year to use the NATO Flying Training in Canada system.

Flightglobal

From the link at the bottom of the post:

Austria has handed back the 12 Northrop Grumman F-5E Tiger fighters it was leasing from Switzerland since July 2004 to bridge the gap between the retirement of its obsolete Saab Drakens and the new Eurofighter Typhoons that Austria has been receiving recently.
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RE: The T-50, though I'm convinced it's a good choice for the PAF, still other alternatives have to be considered, if the cost involved eats into the budget of equally urgent requirements like helos and transports.

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ST. AUGUSTINE, Fla., April 29, 2009 (GLOBE NEWSWIRE)

In a ceremony at the company's East Coast Aircraft Manufacturing and Flight Test Center, officials from NAVAIR PMA 207 accepted the delivery of the final aircraft under the current Navy F-5 Acquisition/Re-capitalization Program, which provided for the modification of 44 Swiss Air Force aircraft into 41 F-5N's (single-seat aircraft) and three F-5F's (two-seat trainers).

A highlight of the effort, according to Matthews, included the conversion of three single cockpit F-5E aircraft to dual cockpit F-5F aircraft.

"This conversion replaced the F-5E forward fuselage with a refurbished F-5F forward fuselage at the basic manufacturing attachment assembly point,"
Matthews said. "It was a monumental task completed by outstanding craftsmen and women."

Northrop Grumman continues to support F-5 user air forces with cost-effective support solutions through the U.S. Air Force (under foreign military sales agreements) and through direct contracts with user air forces. Many of the international F-5 operators are considering (and some have committed to) basic structural life extension programs and avionics/subsystems upgrade packages to obtain an effective lead-in trainer with a modest investment.

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The problem with using F-5's for LIFT is there don't seem to be enough two-seat airframes available. BUT since it's possible to convert single-seaters to a training configuration ...

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Throwing Away Usable Aircraft?

04-15-2009 17:52
By Jung Sung-ki
Staff Reporter


The Air Force's plan to withdraw some of its fully serviceable trainer jets from use has been called into question. Critics say the ``early decommissioning'' of the 17-year-old U.K.-built Hawk Mk67 trainer, known locally as the T-59, will be a waste of taxpayers' money.

The Air Force bought 20 Hawk trainer aircraft between 1992 and 1993 to replace its aging T-33 trainers. Currently, the service operates 16 T-59s at an airbase in Yecheon, North Gyeongsang Province. It wants to decommission the fleet in 2012.

With consistent maintenance and overhauls, aircraft experts say, the trainers will be able to fly problem-free for at least 10 more years, given the aircraft's normal lifespan of 30 years. The per-unit price is $18 million.

``India, South Africa and some other countries are still producing Hawk trainer jets under licensing agreements, so South Korea could obtain needed spare parts quite easily and operate the aircraft for about 20 more years,'' an analyst at a state-funded defense research institute said, requesting to remain anonymous.

The researcher also cited the solid maintenance and overhaul centers in Yecheon and an airbase in Seosan, South Chungcheong Province, which have given the T-59s an operational rate of around 80 percent.

``I've been told that the Air Force may offer T-59s for free to some Southeast Asian nations, including Indonesia, for future arms deals with the countries concerned,'' he noted. ``It seems quite unreasonable, however, because those nations could, otherwise, be potential customers for South Korean-made trainer jets.''

A retired Air Force general recommended that the Air Force use T-59s as light attack jets after equipping them with required weapons systems. Then the T-59 fleet should be relocated to Wonju, some 140 kilometers east of Seoul in the region of Gangwon Province, for air-to-ground/forward air control missions, he said. Forward air control aircraft conduct operations on the frontline mainly to monitor and detect enemy movements in the event of war.

The Hawk trainer jet, which can carry about two tons of weapons systems, is known to be capable of conducting F16-level missions at low-altitudes, including close air support and counter-air-defense. Its armament includes a 30mm anti-tank cannon, AIM-9M Sidewinder air-to-air missiles, Mk87 free-fall bombs and rocket pods. In comparison, the KA-1 can carry only 14 ground attack rockets.


Korea Times


What the hell?! Problem solved! Is anyone in the PAF doing something about this?
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is known to be capable of conducting F16-level missions at low-altitudes, including close air support and counter-air-defense


i take back all the things i say!!!!
buy this trainer jet now!!!!! XD
if ever we bought this plane now,the philippine air force pilots can now be trained
to fly planes like f-16 (kahit papano pwede)
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Apir! :specool:

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Hawk Mk 67

Hybrid export version for South Korea. Combines a 60 series airframe with the avionics and systems of the 100 series aircraft. Equipped with ranging radar in an extended nose and nosewheel steering.

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To swing the deal in the PAF's favor, get these in a package deal like what the PA did with the K3 SAW and those Kia trucks (which we should get more of), like with naval vessels from Hanjin. And reassemble the maintenance facility here, at least the stuff specific to the Hawk. Then upgrade the engine to the latest model later on, to extend the service life.

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:armycheers: Not bad.

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raider1011
Oct 7 2009, 09:47 AM
I've been told that the Air Force may offer T-59s for free to some Southeast Asian nations, including Indonesia, for future arms deals with the countries concerned,'' he noted. ``It seems quite unreasonable, however, because those nations could, otherwise, be potential customers for South Korean-made trainer jets.''

They must give it to the Philippines because we are not only a potential customer of the South Korean-made trainers. We have already purchased many military goodies from them like the KM-25/KM-50 trucks, the KM-450 trucks, the K-3 SAWs, and infinite 2.5 inch rockets for the air force. Also, we have helped liberate them from the commies during the Korean War. They must know that the Philippines has sent more soldiers than France during that war (source : Wikipedia).

Aside from that, the Philippines is a very healthy economic partner and the Filipinos as healthy buyers of South Korean products. Pinoys love South Koreans.

Pinoys even know the Korean version of "Nobody", hehehe...

Kidding aside, they must hand it down to us FOR FREE because we are "adopting" Korean nationals in our country. South Koreans represent the biggest population of foreigners having permanent residency in the Philippines.

I am willing to teach the English language to Koreans for free if they give those Hawks to us, hehehe...

Forget the Indonesians... :demon:

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