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The PhilAF does not need LIFT aircraft
Topic Started: Sep 13 2009, 01:09 AM (4,892 Views)
PilotoRico
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Sep 30 2009, 02:41 PM
Between Chinese JF17 or FC-1 and Korean A/T-50?  I go for the Koreans, why?  No political Strings Attached to it....considering we have established a Memorandum of Agreement for Bilateral Defense between Philippines and South Korea. 

Lets wait a little longer since Israel, Iraq, Singapore and Turkey will be acquiring those Golden Eagles as Trainer for F16s or as Light Combat version of F16s.


I think that's the best option... wait a little longer and watch the Korean aircraft closely...

Bye
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maverick
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that A-50 by the way has an upcoming fighter variant.
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Yup, the F/A-50 variant will be using Elbit avionics technology from Israel and so less of becoming a dependent on US Technology. But I am not sure if we can afford this since this variant will be more expensive than the A/T-50 LIFT variant.

As for now, PAF needs the LIFT variant since it can be flown as Trainer and Light Combat Aircraft with Air-to-air missile capability aside from its capability to fire AGM-65 Maverick missile for Naval Strike. However, the LIFT has no BVR capability not like with the F/A-50 Fighter-variant wherein it has a BVR strike capability with the incorporation of Elbit Avionics.

AFP is slowly adopting Korean-made armaments and equipments and that in 2-5 years time we can now acquire those Golden Eagles for our AirDefense.

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Ya since we have one system to train and use in combat we can full superiority of our airspace and not to mention cost on among other things will be cut since our cadets and our airmen are using particularity the same aircraft.

but if we don't go all Korean maybe we should go Indian Like buying out the tejas since its the only one in our price range that we can afforded but still its a second choice :patrioticpinoy:
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maverick
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we can do counter trade or whatever you call it where you will trade numerous clothes and other stuffs and just add additional money i think the Koreans will agree to that kind of deal since sokor is i dunno donating.? they could donate those clothes to Nokor
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PilotoRico
Sep 29 2009, 11:12 PM
The source is from RSingAF pilots who I spoke flying the PC-21 right now.  When all the Pilatus are delivered to Australia (they are based there and replace the S.211's) , the SIAI jets will return to Singapore and offered for sale!  This is expected to be in second half of 2010.  I think that those trainers are well maintained and could be of interest to the Phil.AF  :thumb:

PilotoRico

True. The S211 is in the same class as the PC-21, Super Tucano and T-6B, so it makes sense the RSAF will retire it after the PC-21 goes into service. For the LIFT role, RSAF is choosing between the M346 and the T-50. Meaning the S211 is not a LIFT-class trainer.

IIRC, the cheapest Western LIFT-class jet in-service and ready-for-production today is the MB339CD (>$10 million). After that, choose between the M346, the T-50, and the Hawk ($25-30 million).

RE: Does the PAF need a LIFT? No pun intended, but I say stick to the plan, "stepping stone approach". Buy those ex-RSAF S211s to build our own fleet back to strength, look at upgrading them to M311-standard later to get embedded simulation and ACMI. Then settle on an affordable LIFT for the next step. Then get an affordable and proven interim fighter, 2nd hand will do. Get simulators, make the most of what you have. Finally, once you've proven your ability to operate and maintain all these planes, that's when you start thinking about 5th gen fighters.

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There is no doubt that our S-211s are good trainers but they are not LIFT aircrafts. Also, our pilots have already grown old with it. I think they really need to put their skills to a whole new level. Now, if the Philippines is really serious about having a strong air force, I think LIFT must be seriously considered.

There are many contenders in the LIFT market to consider like the M-346, A/T-50, EADS Mako, etc. Let's just hope the government picks out the best.

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Oct 3 2009, 04:28 AM
There is no doubt that our S-211s are good trainers but they are not LIFT aircrafts. Also, our pilots have already grown old with it. I think they really need to put their skills to a whole new level. Now, if the Philippines is really serious about having a strong air force, I think LIFT must be seriously considered.

There are many contenders in the LIFT market to consider like the M-346, A/T-50, EADS Mako, etc. Let's just hope the government picks out the best.

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Perhaps you are right about the LIFT aircraft, but they should do that after the following projects for the next years;
- Buy from Singapore there surplus AS.211 jets (8+)
- Attack helicopters (night attack capable) like AH-1W.
- Refurbish another two C-130's or get two from US surplus.
- four MPA platform like ATR-72 or CN.235MPA
- Some medium sized helicopters for ©SAR (perhaps same model as Coast Guard).

I don't know in which time-scale the Philippines Gvmt is thinking about buying fighter aircraft, but I have the feeling that it will be after 2012 (or later).

Hope I am wrong :wow:

Saludos
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You're right about those other priorities but our topic is about LIFT. Let's just stay on the topic first.

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So you do not think the S211 is a LIFT (Lead-In-Fighter-Trainer)?
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