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| The PhilAF does not need LIFT aircraft | |
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| PilotoRico | Sep 30 2009, 02:55 PM Post #21 |
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I think that's the best option... wait a little longer and watch the Korean aircraft closely... Bye |
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| maverick | Sep 30 2009, 03:07 PM Post #22 |
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that A-50 by the way has an upcoming fighter variant. |
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| truegrit | Sep 30 2009, 08:13 PM Post #23 |
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Yup, the F/A-50 variant will be using Elbit avionics technology from Israel and so less of becoming a dependent on US Technology. But I am not sure if we can afford this since this variant will be more expensive than the A/T-50 LIFT variant. As for now, PAF needs the LIFT variant since it can be flown as Trainer and Light Combat Aircraft with Air-to-air missile capability aside from its capability to fire AGM-65 Maverick missile for Naval Strike. However, the LIFT has no BVR capability not like with the F/A-50 Fighter-variant wherein it has a BVR strike capability with the incorporation of Elbit Avionics. AFP is slowly adopting Korean-made armaments and equipments and that in 2-5 years time we can now acquire those Golden Eagles for our AirDefense. |
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| Zero wing | Sep 30 2009, 09:11 PM Post #24 |
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Ya since we have one system to train and use in combat we can full superiority of our airspace and not to mention cost on among other things will be cut since our cadets and our airmen are using particularity the same aircraft. but if we don't go all Korean maybe we should go Indian Like buying out the tejas since its the only one in our price range that we can afforded but still its a second choice
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"No sacrifice is too great in the service of freedom." “As long as we are not willing to provide an adequate, suitable and capable defense for this country, we will be oppressed, demeaned and dishonored. We will be the stepping mat of every country in this region,”(Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile) “Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson) | |
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| maverick | Oct 1 2009, 12:18 PM Post #25 |
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we can do counter trade or whatever you call it where you will trade numerous clothes and other stuffs and just add additional money i think the Koreans will agree to that kind of deal since sokor is i dunno donating.? they could donate those clothes to Nokor |
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| raider1011 | Oct 2 2009, 03:11 PM Post #26 |
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True. The S211 is in the same class as the PC-21, Super Tucano and T-6B, so it makes sense the RSAF will retire it after the PC-21 goes into service. For the LIFT role, RSAF is choosing between the M346 and the T-50. Meaning the S211 is not a LIFT-class trainer. IIRC, the cheapest Western LIFT-class jet in-service and ready-for-production today is the MB339CD (>$10 million). After that, choose between the M346, the T-50, and the Hawk ($25-30 million). RE: Does the PAF need a LIFT? No pun intended, but I say stick to the plan, "stepping stone approach". Buy those ex-RSAF S211s to build our own fleet back to strength, look at upgrading them to M311-standard later to get embedded simulation and ACMI. Then settle on an affordable LIFT for the next step. Then get an affordable and proven interim fighter, 2nd hand will do. Get simulators, make the most of what you have. Finally, once you've proven your ability to operate and maintain all these planes, that's when you start thinking about 5th gen fighters. Lessons of history, those who forget are doomed to repeat them. If you buy a $100 million jet today and your poorly-trained pilots end-up crashing them all over the place tomorrow, you'll be living with your mistake for the next 50 years. |
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| shooter | Oct 3 2009, 04:28 AM Post #27 |
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There is no doubt that our S-211s are good trainers but they are not LIFT aircrafts. Also, our pilots have already grown old with it. I think they really need to put their skills to a whole new level. Now, if the Philippines is really serious about having a strong air force, I think LIFT must be seriously considered. There are many contenders in the LIFT market to consider like the M-346, A/T-50, EADS Mako, etc. Let's just hope the government picks out the best. |
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| PilotoRico | Oct 4 2009, 12:58 AM Post #28 |
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Perhaps you are right about the LIFT aircraft, but they should do that after the following projects for the next years; - Buy from Singapore there surplus AS.211 jets (8+) - Attack helicopters (night attack capable) like AH-1W. - Refurbish another two C-130's or get two from US surplus. - four MPA platform like ATR-72 or CN.235MPA - Some medium sized helicopters for ©SAR (perhaps same model as Coast Guard). I don't know in which time-scale the Philippines Gvmt is thinking about buying fighter aircraft, but I have the feeling that it will be after 2012 (or later). Hope I am wrong Saludos |
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| shooter | Oct 4 2009, 01:47 AM Post #29 |
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You're right about those other priorities but our topic is about LIFT. Let's just stay on the topic first.
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| Vermonter | Oct 4 2009, 03:14 AM Post #30 |
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So you do not think the S211 is a LIFT (Lead-In-Fighter-Trainer)? |
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