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| C.C. | Sep 24 2009, 10:35 AM Post #11 |
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^^ I understood well your point sir. You’re right, instead of purchasing Interim fighters or jet trainers, save the funds for us to buy good MRFs. Pwede rin naman tayo magpadala ng piloto sa ibang bansa at dun sila sanayin. Now, about patrolling our maritime boundaries, it is not good to na laging gamitin ang MRFs. Jet fuel is expensive, and because of that, it is not ideal to use MRFs just to catch smugglers and illegal fishermen. The solution is that we should also acquire 2-3 P3 Orions. Malaking tulong ito sa atin. |
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| raider1011 | Sep 24 2009, 08:37 PM Post #12 |
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Singapore Seeks $325M in F-16 Pilot Training and Support 23-Sep-2009 16:20 EDT Because space is at a premium in Singapore, that country has been training its F-16 pilots for over 17 years at Luke Air Force Base in Arizona. The Singapore government is seeking to continue that training tradition… Singapore is asking the US government to continue its F-16C/D pilot proficiency training program at Luke Air Froce Base in Arizona under the Peace Carvin program, as well as purchase munitions, services and support for the F-16C/D aircraft. The estimated cost of the request is $250 million. Defense Industry Daily FYC |
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| Gasmal | Sep 28 2009, 05:40 PM Post #13 |
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a bit wierd when some of us say that PhiAL does not need LIFT. you really need LIFT aircraft... first you need trainer like pilatus..and for advance training you need LIFT before move to jet fighter like F-16, MiG, Su or F-15. you cannot rely on simulator. |
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| maverick | Sep 29 2009, 10:30 AM Post #14 |
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thats why we are going to send our pilots in U.S to train them para wla ng LIFT na kailangan. |
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| PilotoRico | Sep 29 2009, 03:08 PM Post #15 |
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Why should we talk about a LIFT? For what, after the S.211 we have nothing else. I think the S.211 is LIFT enough for the moment, buy another batch of them from Singapore (they are going to be surplus next year!!!) and keep the operational flightline at 10+ aircraft. I expect that soon or later the Philippines should go for a batch of 12 to 16 F-5E Tigers for air defence, all other budget for helicopters (combat/SAR/transport) and C-130 overhaul.... :thumb: Let's hope the next year will be the magic year for Philippines... Saludos, PilotoRico |
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| maverick | Sep 29 2009, 07:10 PM Post #16 |
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Do you have any source or data how much those S-211s,if you know a source or data kindly share it with us,tnx.I don't agree about acquiring F-5s though,their are other jets that is affordable like the JF-17 which is only 15-20 mil dollars (700-900 million),Hal Tejas which is 15-24 mil dollars and the F/50 fighter. |
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| PilotoRico | Sep 29 2009, 11:12 PM Post #17 |
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Hello Maverick, The source is from RSingAF pilots who I spoke flying the PC-21 right now. When all the Pilatus are delivered to Australia (they are based there and replace the S.211's) , the SIAI jets will return to Singapore and offered for sale! This is expected to be in second half of 2010. I think that those trainers are well maintained and could be of interest to the Phil.AF :thumb: About the fighter aircraft; I should never go for the HAL Tejas... the aircraft has not been proved as doing well, still in pre-production status.... and let be honest; we all know that if you buy a type that is not in use in any other air arm, don't buy it. If the F-5E is not the aircraft, then go for proved aircraft like Mirage F.1, Kfir C.7/C.10 or AMX (Italy has some 20+ in store awaiting possible sale, they offered them also to Afghanistan...). Personally I hope that the Phil.AF will go first for transports (overhaul C-130's), SAR and attack helicopters and MPA aircraft... but that is my personal thought. Saludos PilotoRico |
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| maverick | Sep 30 2009, 09:02 AM Post #18 |
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These aircrafts your offering are all obsolete,we cannot rely on italian planes cause airforces that have italian planes find it hard to maintain them. |
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| PilotoRico | Sep 30 2009, 02:23 PM Post #19 |
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Hello Maverick, you are right... but I am afraid that all aircraft that could become Phil.AF next fighter are obsolete Simply because there is no budget to buy factory-fresh fighter aircraft. Even if the F-16 would be offered, then they will be from the first batch (Block 15/20) produced aircraft..... almost 30 years old! We (Holland) fly the F-16A/B since 1980, only 85 are left and all up-graded to MLU4 aircraft... several older airframes are sold to Chile and Jordan. Now the aircraft become older, it's more difficult to maintain a operational squadron which is normally 18 aircraft, we are happy if 10 are available all together (so 40+ any time, including the F-16's operating under NATO in Afghanistan)...What is left? Chinese? Russian? All unreliable suppliers (ask Venezuela.... they are really unhappy with the logistic problems with Russian Su-30 and Mil helicopters...). Perhaps should Phil.AF think about a non-fighter aircraft Air Force Time will tell my friend, all best. |
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| truegrit | Sep 30 2009, 02:41 PM Post #20 |
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Between Chinese JF17 or FC-1 and Korean A/T-50? I go for the Koreans, why? No political Strings Attached to it....considering we have established a Memorandum of Agreement for Bilateral Defense between Philippines and South Korea. We won't have enough headache if we acquire Military Hardwares from them since its a government to government agreement. Lets wait a little longer since Israel, Iraq, Singapore and Turkey will be acquiring those Golden Eagles as Trainer for F16s or as Light Combat version of F16s. |
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Simply because there is no budget to buy factory-fresh fighter aircraft. Even if the F-16 would be offered, then they will be from the first batch (Block 15/20) produced aircraft..... almost 30 years old! We (Holland) fly the F-16A/B since 1980, only 85 are left and all up-graded to MLU4 aircraft... several older airframes are sold to Chile and Jordan. Now the aircraft become older, it's more difficult to maintain a operational squadron which is normally 18 aircraft, we are happy if 10 are available all together (so 40+ any time, including the F-16's operating under NATO in Afghanistan)...
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