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Near our waters; PLAN vs USN
Topic Started: Jun 28 2008, 08:06 AM (7,238 Views)
Marschall
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Lorenz_Mallari
Jun 17 2009, 06:36 PM
Thank god for that destroyer...i hope that was a slap to us that Chinks can snuck a sub ryt under our noses

It probably happens more often than we think.

But honestly guys: there's virtually nothing we can do about it.

Our Navy is - useless in terms of fending off foreign warships. Our Air-Force is more of the former while lacking the latter...

If anything, we can at least make sure that the AFP has enough capacity to produce enough ammo in times of war.

I reckon soldiers in Mindanao have been complaining about the lack of ammunition...
"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei

“When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton

MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you.
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We can only deal with external threats after we have finished off the internal threats.

We can only worry about Chinese submarines but can only admit that our PN can do nothing about it as of the moment.

Meanwhile, the AFP has to worry about and concentrate its resources more on...
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I reckon soldiers in Mindanao have been complaining about the lack of ammunition...


Which is exacerbated by the ammo-cancellation controversy...

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=6486
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So,we pretend nothing happened but quietly build up forces?
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This AMMO controversy is very confusing coz they are referring to 60mm and 81mm Mortar rounds which not every Military units is equipped with a Mortar artillery piece. But as far as I know, every basic soldier is equipped with a M16A1 with a 5.56mm ammos as per mission requirement. Also we have a continuous supply of M16 rounds from our Bataan Ammo Plant.
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Jun 18 2009, 05:25 PM
This AMMO controversy is very confusing coz they are referring to 60mm and 81mm Mortar rounds which not every Military units is equipped with a Mortar artillery piece. But as far as I know, every basic soldier is equipped with a M16A1 with a 5.56mm ammos as per mission requirement. Also we have a continuous supply of M16 rounds from our Bataan Ammo Plant.

Just to make things even more weird: just how secure are those bases and ammunition plants?

"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei

“When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton

MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you.
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israeli
Jun 16 2009, 10:40 PM
In last week's incident, as before, a Chinese submarine was found to be shadowing a U.S. Navy ship _ possibly undetected by sonar equipment being towed behind the American destroyer.

The South China Sea, where the collision occurred and where the U.S. Navy operates amid a complex patchwork of competing territorial claims, is also a familiar backdrop for such incidents.

Even the damaged sonar array that was hit by the Chinese submarine has featured in past confrontations.

While not every incident gets reported, analysts say evidence suggests they're happening more frequently as Beijing flexes its improved naval capabilities and asserts its objections to U.S. Naval activity in disputed waters.
And about three years ago, a Chinese submarine surfaced just five miles (eight kilometers) away from the U.S. aircraft carrier Kitty Hawk and its escorts during exercises off Okinawa. It still isn't clear whether the sub, which was within torpedo firing range of the carrier, had been detected.

Such incidents are expected to grow as the 225,000-sailor People's Liberation Army Navy boosts both the size and quality of its submarine fleet. China already operates more subs than any other Asian nation, with up to 10 nuclear-powered vessels and as many as 60 diesel-electric subs, while a major new submarine base is reportedly under construction on the island province of Hainan in the South China Sea.[/b][/color]

It only shows how effective the diesel-electric submarine is.. hard to detect and quieter than nuke subs. Even USS John Mccain fails to detect it.

It can possible sunk a carrier w/o being detected.
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Due to the current amd previous 2 administrations blatant refusal to modernize its armed forces for external threat, the US (as big brother) routinely patrols Philippine Territorrial waters and even airspace. Along with the topic mentioned, some of you may remember when a USAF F-16 on patrol had to make an emergency landing an NAIA a couple of years ago.
Now, since a submarine is the best weapon to hunt for another submarine, should the Philippines consider purchasing SSKs rather than corvettes and frigates?
A numerically outnumbered Philippine Navy would last and put up a better fight with a couple of new U212 or Scorpene subs in the future. :armycool:
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Do you want to know the reason why they collide?

because they speak different language.. :demon:

The naval forces are on scrutiny to our seas, why worry? Don't over react these are just simple miscalculations.
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Time to stop dreaming...

A country like ours cannot put up with the economic superpower which China is.

"THE BEST PARENT AND GUARDIAN OF LIBERTY AMONGST MEN IS TRUTH" ~ Pope Leo XIII, Immortale Dei

“When learned men begin to use their reason, then I generally discover that they haven’t got any.” - G. K. Chesterton

MSantor is not a man of sound reason. Savages have always preferred the club for they know that they are powerless against the pen. But who is the greater fool - the savage or the one that gives him power? May Truth rebuke you.
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Yup. Ditto on Sir Marchall's remark na its time to take action. Let's make use of our friendships with other nations. Since we cannot afford yet to buy submarines we should make effort on learning how to counter these with surface vessels. Modern surface vessels with the right equipment and trained personnel not with the vessels we have now.

Kaya naman i-fund such an endeavor. Clamor natin na yun 1B intelligence fund ng Speaker be diverted to such or similar worthy causes kaysa ibulsa lang nila. The same goes for other black funds. Kaya siguro mas okay pa na i-abolish ang Congress as mga nangungurakot lang. Kung hindi binubulsa ay ginagamit naman to fund rebel groups :P
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