Surplus Foreign Warships: Decommissioned but still serviceable

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Surplus Foreign Warships: Decommissioned but still serviceable
Topic Started: Jan 1 2005, 12:15 PM (27,438 Views)
al'Lan Mandragoran	Jan 1 2005, 12:15 PM Post #1
Member Posts: 661 Group: Regulars Member #11 Joined: July 9, 2004	Ano, bigay kaya sa atin para may carrier na tayo... Quote: The New York Times reported in its Thursday editions that, under a Pentagon proposal, the Navy would retire the USS John F. Kennedy carrier next year and reduce the number of new LPD-17 San Antonio-class amphibious landing ships being built at a cost of about $1.2 billion apiece by Northrop Grumman. http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/a...e/pentagon_cuts
	"In wars, boy, fools kill other fools for foolish causes." "Run when you have to, fight when you must, rest when you can." - Robert Jordan; The Wheel of Time


geko	Jan 1 2005, 03:53 PM Post #2
Trainee Posts: 26 Group: Trainees Member #264 Joined: December 30, 2004	what will happen to retired aircraft carrier, i know its impossible for us to get or operate one but willother countries buy this?



Numbers	Jan 1 2005, 04:10 PM Post #3
PDFF Moderator Posts: 4,896 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #9 Joined: July 9, 2004	Old CV-67 will in all likelihood converted into a floating museum rather than be sold to other countries.
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maniegom	Jan 1 2005, 06:11 PM Post #4
Member Posts: 1,049 Group: Regulars Member #265 Joined: December 30, 2004	I must really be getting old then. "Big John" CV-67 (which we nicknamed the ship) was my first duty station back in '89 when it was still stationed out of Norfolk, Va. Even back then, she was already in bad shape and was in desperate need of yard repairs and talk about disgruntled Sailors too. No matter what, you'll never forget your first duty station. Back then we were slated to go to the yards, but Iraq invaded Kuwait, so this schedule was scrapped. Within four days of 24 hour working parties for stores and ammunition, we were told to get ready and deploy for "Desert Shield". Word from the grape vine (as you should be aware how "rumor control" plays a big part in every Sailor's life) said that the CHENG told the CO when asked if the ship could take the deployment and told him, "Sir you might as well consider her being towed back to port with her condition right now". Another reason was because when it was finally announced that we being deployed in short notice within 4 days, our return was until further notice (we wounded up spending 8 1/2 months out in the Red Sea). The only ports we hit were Izmir and Antalya, Turkey; Alexandria and Hurgada, Egypt; and oh yes (never will forget this) Jeddah, Saudi Arabia for the New Year of 1991. True enough, she went dead in the water twice while transitting the Atlantic to our theater of operations. Once again while on station (which is why handy flashlights became a fad) and this is not also counting your occasional power outages in certain sections of the ship. It is so dark that you can't even see your hand in front of you. I became so used to it, that I even showered so many times with just a flashlight. UNREP every other day, GQ's, drills and water outages where you had no choice but take a salt water shower or none at all which is why I always kept a bottle of rubbing alcohol. And oh yes, carry your CBR gear wherever you go or risk Captain's Mast (they were not kidding about this)! Equipment in all spaces kept on breaking down, especially with our four catapults. We were on station with the Sarratoga of which we christened the "Sorry Sarrah" because she just had one too many accidents that we had to take over for her sorties so many times even on the last minute (including liberty in Israel which also cost us not to go). In return, they nicknamed us the "One Cat Kennedy" because our catapults kept on going down that we usually had one functioning well. We were the last ship to carry the A-7E Corsairs. Every carrier was laughing at us, because they all had F/A-18 C's, but we had the last laugh in the end. We didn't loose one A-7 to combat action (or any aircraft for that matter) while most of them lost F/A-18's. I still love that "Man Eater" bird to this day. When we finally came back from the first Gulf War, I must admit that I didn't feel like coming back to Virginia. I got so used to the routine that it became a little hard for me to readjust. If I had a choice, I was even willing to remain on station, but this was denied. I later on transferred to another carrier on the West Coast until I got stationed overseas and stayed there all my time in various locations. It was all fine and dandy until I was forced to be stationed back here again in Virginia again, YUCK! Trust me, Overseas West Coast is the best place to be :thumb: ! Thank God I am going back to Japan soon! I accidentally ran into an old shipmate who I was stationed with before onboard "Big John" and we recounted those memorable times despite all the agonies. No matter what, we kept our equipment and spaces as ship shape as possible, it was sad when he later on told me, that it wasn't so anymore. Ever since she got reassigned to Mayport, everything just went down hill. Now that she's going to be decommisioned, I too agree she will be converted to a museum as the Kennedy clan has a lot of influence on that ship even ever since she was being built. Rumor has it that her design was originally meant to be nuclear powered, but when the Kennedy clan got wind of it, it was converted instead to conventional due to the Cuba (nuclear) missile crisis while JFK was in office. Why do you think this ship never left the East Coast? Call me a hopeless romantic, but she was a good ship that shaped my first formidable years in the service. If it wasn't for this first command of mine to mold me, I probably wouldn't have known any better and this the more I did see when I got stationed in various commands. USS John F. Kennedy CV-67 was my gauge to excellence, not because of her broke down condition, but because of the lessons learned and camaraderie we shared. Farewell Big John!



Duminus	Jan 5 2005, 03:20 PM Post #5
PDFF Admin Support Posts: 7,044 Group: PDFF Admin Group Member #2 Joined: July 9, 2004	USS Carl Vinson to follow? Quote: The USS Carl Vinson, a Nimitz-class nuclear aircraft carrier, could be retired early if the U.S. Navy decides to lower its carrier force below the 11-ship level already being considered. The Vinson, commissioned in 1977, is a significantly newer ship than other carriers previously mentioned as early retirement candidates. The carrier is being considered, said a source familiar with the proposal, because it would be more costly to defuel the older carrier Enterprise with its eight nuclear reactors than to perform the same work on a two-reactor Nimitz-class ship. Navy Secretary Gordon England called several Florida legislators on Dec. 23 to inform them the Navy was considering dropping the current 12-ship carrier force to 11 ships, said several of those who received the calls. Although a Pentagon budget decision dated that day calls for the service to retire �one conventionally powered aircraft carrier� in fiscal 2006, the document does not mention the ship by name. But the John F. Kennedy, one of the Navy�s two non-nuclear carriers, is based at Mayport Naval Station near Jacksonville, Fla., and the loss of that ship and its 2,500-sailor crew would have a serious economic impact on the area, as well as making Mayport a prime candidate for closure in a new round of base closings. The other conventionally powered carrier is the Kitty Hawk, based in Japan. http://www.defensenews.com/



maniegom	Jan 6 2005, 09:27 PM Post #6
Member Posts: 1,049 Group: Regulars Member #265 Joined: December 30, 2004	Well it looks like Big John isn't going to be decommisioned that easily... http://home.hamptonroads.com/stories/story...=80144&ran=5623



al'Lan Mandragoran	Jan 6 2005, 09:59 PM Post #7
Member Posts: 661 Group: Regulars Member #11 Joined: July 9, 2004	Why they worry? The new and far more powerful CVN 77 George HW Bush will soon arrive in 2008 or 2009 and to be followed later by the ultramodern CVN 78 carriers...more tools to project American hegemony.
	"In wars, boy, fools kill other fools for foolish causes." "Run when you have to, fight when you must, rest when you can." - Robert Jordan; The Wheel of Time


maniegom	Jan 7 2005, 04:59 AM Post #8
Member Posts: 1,049 Group: Regulars Member #265 Joined: December 30, 2004	True, but based on this news article, it will also affect the local economy and the jobs of those who live in Mayport. You can somewhat look at it as a chain reaction. If a carrier goes away, then guaranteed the air wing will be next. Plus all those civilian jobs relying on it will be cut too. Kennedy replaced the Sarratoga after the latter got decommisioned. Kind of like compare it to Olongapo and Angeles City when the lease for the US Bases were not renewed. Of course there was a sudden slump in the local economy of those communities and it took a while before they recoverred. Then again, if you economically have a good thing going for your city for years, and a sudden change will be proposed that will affect that "sure thing" that's been pumping extra income and jobs; everyone will of course be up and arms about it. In situations like this, people will always be resistant to change.



dororodo	Jan 7 2005, 09:44 AM Post #9
Member Posts: 101 Group: Regulars Member #170 Joined: October 14, 2004	so theyre naming a carrier after the elder bush for what?? i dont he is a great president, even jimmy carter is better than bush senior



maniegom	Jan 8 2005, 05:47 AM Post #10
Member Posts: 1,049 Group: Regulars Member #265 Joined: December 30, 2004	Well that's your personal opinion Dororodo. Actually President Carter has a submarine named after him since he was a former submariner himself. Please check the links below: http://navysite.de/ssn/ssn23.htm http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/cno/n8...immycarter.html In the case of President Bush Senior, he was a distinguished WWII pilot who served in the Pacific, here are some links if you want to read it. http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq10-1.htm http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/age...y/batgru-77.htm So as you can see, both are being recognized in their respective expertise while they were in the service.



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