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| flipzi | Oct 23 2008, 10:04 AM Post #11 |
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That's my point as well. He's not being a good model for his men. If i am the president, i'd be obliged to replace him now before the DESEASE infects the whole flock. |
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| seWer Rat | Oct 23 2008, 11:49 AM Post #12 |
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im watching the senate hearing live on RHTV right now. Gen. Versoza is totally clueless and is in deeper s@#t, what a shame..he has no knowledge on how the 7 million was withdrawn by Gen. De la Paz without his approval. I think the mistahs are just covering its other's asses. btw, gen. de la paz did not show up and is ordered arrested by Sen. Santiago. there's more to this scandal ... watch out |
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| Tormentor | Oct 23 2008, 02:02 PM Post #13 |
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To attend the 1976 Ruling Class ball and tour in Moscow as his representative.
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| Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP | Oct 23 2008, 04:07 PM Post #14 |
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And now let us wait and see who will go to prison as a result of this mess. Or shall we expect this to disappear into thin air just like the Hello Garci & the ZTE scandal. |
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| Fallen Angel | Oct 23 2008, 08:10 PM Post #15 |
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Im beginning to think that the trip to Moscow was a retirement treat for Gen. de la Paz in the guise of attending the Interpol assemby which explains the presence of the wives and the wife of Gen. Versoza who was there without him. |
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| spellspinner | Oct 23 2008, 10:10 PM Post #16 |
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His wife's presence will be Versoza's downfall. He cannot claim to not know the source of the funding of an event of which she was part. Though he says that he never gave his approval for he withdrawal or the trip, de la Paz may pass it off to Razon. It was after all razon who gave approval for the trip. The funding may have also been approved by him. The other issue is that de la Paz reached retirement age when he was in Moscow. However, the is an existent EO that states that trips abroad should be allowed only to those gove't personnel who still have more than a year to go until retirement so that the government wil benefit from what the traveller has learned abroad. But what boggles the imagination is the sheer amount of money available to police generals, while the men who man the precincts are hard pressed to buy themselves decent shoes. This is just obscene. |
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| Fallen Angel | Oct 24 2008, 07:30 AM Post #17 |
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Sen. Pimentel says the money could be from jueteng. Or from proceeds of orbiting by the police officers. Dela Paz's P6.9M cash might be jueteng money--Pimentel abs-cbnNEWS.com | 10/24/2008 12:53 AM Printer-friendly version | Send to friend While the actual source of the 105,000 euros (P6.9 million) brought by retired Philippine National Police (PNP) director Gen. Eliseo dela Paz to an official trip in Russia remains unknown, a senator said Thursday evening the money might possibly have come from the illegal numbers game jueteng. Sen. Aquilino Pimentel Jr. said a source came up to him after the Senate committee hearing to tell him the money the PNP delegation brought to the 77th Interpol General Assembly in St. Petersburg came from jueteng. "That conclusion can come with the observation that if it is not official money, then where did it come from? It cannot be from any other legitimate sources because sina National Police chief [Gen. Jesus] Verzosa and Secretary [Ronaldo] Puno were unable to show that they have documents backing up the legality of that amount," Pimentel said in a phone interview. This came after officials from the Philippine National Police and the Department of Interior and Local Government (DILG), led by Verzosa and Puno, were not able to show proof in the Senate foreign relations committee hearing Thursday that the money was part of official government funds. The controversy broke out when Russian authorites briefly held Dela Paz for carrying an undeclared P6.9-million worth of euros in the Moscow airport. International rules require that cash amounting to more than US$10,000 or about half a million pesos needs to be declared. Suspicions rise Pimentel's suspicions rose after ABS-CBN News reported that prior to the Russia trip, dela Paz had the money changed from pesos to euros in a small money changer shop along Padre Faura, Manila. The manager of F&S Money Changer said dela Paz sent someone to have his pesos changed to euros, in small increments, in a course of several weeks. "Minsan bumibili ng 5,000 (euros), 2,000, kung meron bumibili sila... hindi po [buong P7 million]... Merong bumibili dito. Noong lang namain nalaman, noong humihingi siya ng certification. Doon namin nalaman na tauhan pala siya ni Gen. dela Paz," Gal Wadja, manager of F&S Money Changer, said. The discovery of the transactions in the money changer left more questions among the senators, particularly Pimentel. "Apparently, although they never saw dela Paz doing the exchange, what I want to do is kung meron pang next hearing si [Sen.] Miriam [Santiago], I want to have that money changer summoned," he said. During the hearing, Senator Miriam Defensor Santiago raised the possibility that the P6.9 million could have been raised by the PNP from Chinese-Filipinos in exchange for police protection. She said this was a practice known as "orbit," where contributions are solicited by cops from vulnerable groups. PNP insists it came from agency The PNP, meanwhile, maintained that the money came from their agency's funds, and then challenged the Senate to prove that the money came from jueteng. "Sinasabi na nga namin, pondo ng PNP 'yun eh. Dalawang linggo na naming sinasabi 'yun. Dapat i-substantiate nila 'yung sinasabi nila kasi puro allegation iyan," PNP spokesperson Chief Supt. Nicanor Bartolome told ABS-CBN News. Verzosa also pointed out during the Senate hearing the cash advance was authorized by Police Sr. Supt. Tomas Rentoy. "Si Sr. Supt. Rentoy issued the certification that he authorized the cash advance," Verzosa said. Rentoy, however, cannot be reached for comment. He was not in his office when sought by ABS-CBN News. ABS-CBN online poll: Kotong An ABS-CBN News online poll conducted after the scandal broke out last week showed that 60% (655) of the 1,087 who voted online believed that the P6.9 million came from "kotong" (protection money). The online poll asked readers where they thought the money came from: PNP funds, patrons, or kotong. Only 161 or 15% chose PNP funds, while 271 or 25% of readers chose "patrons." An ongoing online poll also showed that over 90% do not believe dela Paz's claim that he merely forgot to declare the cash.--With a report from Ron Gagalac, ABS-CBN News http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/nation/10/23/08...mentel-suspects |
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| Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP | Oct 24 2008, 05:26 PM Post #18 |
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And the other obscene issue was, how on earth did it slipped through the airport check ? If the de la Paz entourage was given the privilege or favor to get rid of the check, then another form of scandal would emerge from the very agency of the government running the airport such as the customs or agencies implementing the laws on departing and arriving international travelers.
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| caterwaul | Oct 25 2008, 11:30 AM Post #19 |
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its the mistah mafia in the PNP and AFP rearing its ugly head again. the travel was nothing but a celebration tour for the 1976 ayers ruling the PNP and those who are retiring, and Gen. Versoza is the epitome of this mistah mafia coverup. you just cant trust those beady eyes. hahayyy...so honest when still cadets, so idealistic when still junior officers, but so corrupt when they become senior officers. |
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| Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP | Oct 26 2008, 04:29 AM Post #20 |
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Mr. Verzoza just recently invented facts to justify the money involving the de la Paz scandal. He said the money was intended to purchase intelligence gadgets for the PNP. Senator Miriam Santiago is keen to dig it out if it had followed the guidelines that regulates government procurements. ( Let us see how Mr. Verzoa could straighten this to bolster the cover up defense) Another thing, the people involved in this mess are highranking policemen, and they are not also strange to scientific gadgets used by the PNP to guide investigators on whether a suspect is telling the truth or not. This gadget is popularly known as "Polygraph Machine" or in laymans term lie detector. If Verzoza et. al has nothing to hide and to lie, then why won't they voluntarily submit themselves to a polygraph test as the police always wanted to do on criminals ? The thing at issue involves corrupt practices which is a criminal offense and without any argument it deserve a full dress investigation moreso, that it involved law enforcement officers. At this point in time, Mr. Verzoza should be stood down or relinquish his official function as PNP Chief to erase doubts of whitewash in the investigation so that he cannot use his position to influence the criminal investigation apart from the Senate inquiry. "Abusive"is a very superficial description of these Generals. They are unscrupulous scalawags to be exact. The article on the link below is a nail or death to Verzoza's credibility as the Chief law enforcer of the country. Please click on the link and read the its full text: Full Details |
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