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| Conflict at the Scarborough Shoal | |
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| Topic Started: Aug 18 2008, 10:49 AM (29,193 Views) | |
| truegrit | Aug 18 2008, 10:49 AM Post #1 |
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My Filipino Comrades, I believe you should know whom to side when conflicts arises and a good example is what happen in Scarborough Shoal...There is a news blackout here when it happen but not in the other countries.. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scarborough_Shoal Let me ask you know, do you trust Malaysian Military Observers that looks like they are siding with MILF to establish a Bangsamoro state.... |
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| pachador | Aug 22 2008, 03:34 PM Post #2 |
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well, when there are malaysian military monitors in mindanao, it makes it a lot easier for malaysian govt to secretly give funds or cash to the rebel leaders to buy supplies since they have the perfect cover - being ceasefire monitors. |
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| ayoshi | Apr 25 2012, 09:21 PM Post #3 |
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PHL Navy in standoff with Chinese surveillance ships in West PHL Sea  Tension is brewing anew over the Spratly Islands after a Philippine Navy ship figured in another standoff with Chinese ships there last Tuesday, the Department of Foreign Affairs said. As of Wednesday morning, officials said the Navy's patrol boat, the BRP Gregorio del Pilar, was not moving after Chinese maritime surveillance ships placed themselves between the PHL ship and fishing vessels which were in the vicinity of Scarborough, or Panatag, Shoal, which both the PHL and China claim. DFA spokesman Raul Hernandez said that the standoff could continue while PHL officials communicate to China that the shoal was clearly within Philippine territory. www.gmanetwork.com Related topic about the on-going stand-off between Phl and Chinese vessels. Page 95 Link: http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=866&st=1410 |
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| InkognitoAce | Apr 26 2012, 04:30 AM Post #4 |
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China will not do anything brilliant: they know that if they did start a war and won, the other countries in the region would not react positively to that - including India, Vietnam and Japan. Also, if China were to press us economically: what can they do? Stop selling things to us? Then we just look towards other countries to export from. This situation must be met with absolute integrity on part of our government and self-restraint and discipline. Do not do anything to provoke any armed conflict, but also do not let the Philippines be bullied around by the ChiCom government (whether it be through military force or through "soft imperialism"). |
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| truegrit | Apr 26 2012, 06:36 AM Post #5 |
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China is no FOOL to use all its might against us...that is impossible coz they have more borders to protect their territory like with Russia, China, North Korea, Vietnam and even Taiwan... So its pretty brilliant to think that China will send Million Troops or all their Naval fleet against us. If we drown ourselves with this kind of propaganda of fear then Chinese will capitalize this to BULLY us all the time... |
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| spearhead | Apr 26 2012, 08:29 AM Post #6 |
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I dont know who's idea was it that china may use all their might to a puny defenseless asian country. That's obviously BS. China's hands are full, and they got japan, SK, vietnam, and india to worry about, plus US and Taiwan. |
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| Parastriker | Apr 26 2012, 12:12 PM Post #7 |
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So, from what I have seen from your posts, I could say a practical conclusion for the mean time for the Conflict at Scarborough Shoal; Both the Philippines and China are at a standstill comparable to the standstill between UN and Commie forces back at the Korean War; neither could China nor the Philippines could make an overt attack, and so their stratagems are only limited to subterfuge, backstabbing, bluffs and mere threat-making. If China decides to attack so overtly that the US and other allied forces of us could notice, it would be a spark powerful enough to reignite the bad days of the Cold War, except that there is a chance that there would a "Hot" war. |
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| ayoshi | Apr 26 2012, 04:54 PM Post #8 |
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PH bids to get ASEAN involved in Scarborough standoff, bares overflights  MANILA - (UPDATE: 3:41 PM) - The Philippines is informally but publicly reeling in the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (ASEAN) into the ongoing standoff with China at the Scarborough (Panatag) Shoal, unbroken two weeks after it began by China’s refusal to recognize UN-set exclusive economic zones. Just hours after noting three overflights over Panatag by unidentified aircraft, Foreign Affairs Secretary Albert del Rosario declared on Thursday that the presence of China in the shoal is a violation of the ASEAN-China Declaration on the Conduct of Parties in the South China Sea (DOC). “I think that the Chinese are now in violation of the DOC when they are preventing us from enforcing our laws within our Exclusive Economic Zone,” he said at a press briefing. “ASEAN should be paying attention to that (statement),” he added, but stopped short of saying what the ASEAN chairman should do. “China is a dialogue partner, they [ASEAN] can issue a statement. ASEAN has succeeded in the past in bringing people together, (but) I cannot tell the chairman of ASEAN what to do. It’s up to him what to do,” he said. The DOC is a non-binding agreement between the 10 ASEAN member-countries and China affirming all the parties’ intention to maintain peace, stability, economic growth, and prosperity in the region. All parties signed the declaration in 2002, affirming their commitments to the Charter of the United Nations, the 1982 UN Convention on the Law of the Sea, and other similar international laws. www.interaksyon.com |
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| ayoshi | Apr 26 2012, 08:40 PM Post #9 |
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Scarborough standoff could delay dev't of Philippines' biggest gas find - MVP  MANILA, Philippines - The standoff between Manila and Beijing over disputed territories in the West Philippine Sea may delay development of what could be the Philippines' biggest natural gas find to date, according to the country's biggest mining firm. Manuel V. Pangilinan, Philex Mining Corp. chairman, said China's gunboat diplomacy may affect the work program for the Sampaguita field, which is covered by Service Contract 72 in the Recto Bank. "There's always the possibility of a delay because of the political concerns between Philippines and China. And that has to be sorted out. If Chinese gunboats appear in the horizon, then there could be delays as those rigs and survey ships are owned by other countries. And these companies would not want to get involved in any kind of regional conflicts," he said. www.interaksyon.com |
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| ayoshi | Apr 27 2012, 09:16 AM Post #10 |
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Manila-Beijing word war escalates; 'Element of trust' missing in Philippine-China talks, says DFA MANILA, Philippines – No conflict is raging in the South China Sea for now, but the word war has begun to escalate between the Department of Foreign Affairs (DFA) and the Chinese embassy in Manila. In a statement Thursday afternoon, embassy spokesperson Zhang Hua said “the Chinese side is shocked” by DFA allegations that Ambassador Ma Keqing has relayed to Beijing “incomplete, inaccurate and misleading information” about her meetings on the Scarborough dispute with Philippine foreign officials in Manila. www.interaksyon.com |
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