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Replacement for N22 Nomad
Topic Started: Apr 22 2005, 01:23 PM (7,339 Views)
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The PAF has been sorely lacking in small tactical airlifters with no aircraft currently filling the gap between the Hueys and F-27s and/or C-130s.  In the past the PAF had relied on Nomads and Islanders to provide logistical support to small far flung outposts.  The small number of Nomads flying is therefore very much overworked with the slack being taken up by the equally overworked Huey fleet.

http://home.comcast.net/~manokski/nomad.htm

the C-212 and the CN-235 come to mind. tirad's AC-47T is an intriguing rebuild. any other candidates, new, second-hand, rebuilt?

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PZL Mielec M28 Skytruck/Bryza

Pratt & Whitney PT6 engines, maritime surveillance version in service, big in Venezuela

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Sukhoi Su-80

General Electric CT7s, rear loading ramp, 10-hour loiter?


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The PAF in the past has requested C-26 aircraft from the US. C-26 in 3 versions operate in Air and Army National Guard. Turboprop aircraft, one version can accomodate as much as 19-22 passengers or equal amount of cargo, seats can be taken out in an all-cargo version. Also serve as surveilance plane, can be equipped with FLIR, Thermal Imaging and other suveillance equipment. Some US versions used to patrol US-Mexico border at night. Colombian version has APG-66 radar, other infrared imaging systems and other equpment. Dunno if it can take on STOL mission of NOMAD, but the civilian version was meant to be used in small airfields. Anybody know? Has a 2,000+ nautical mile range on max fuel.

US gave financed the transfer and re-equipment of some 13 C-26 aircraft for Anti-Drug surveillance to Colombia, Peru, Venezuela, Barbados, and Trinidad and Tobago-all got 2 except Peru which got 3-. Purchases with US via FMS/EDA-type deals are a plus...?


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AN-140-Antonov-made in response to light/medium transport, max 6,000kilogram payload, 46-52 passengers, 1,134nautical mile range, . Interesting to note, the foreign export version is planned to be equipped with a Pratt and Whitney PW-127A engine. License manufactured in Iran dubbed "Iran-140", to be used for Light transport as well as armed/unarmed MPA version, as well as early warning command and control, as much as 100 to be built in iran for military and domentic duties. Maybe too big for PAF service since it is intended to replace Fokker27 in Iranian service.
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G.222 would be good, but it is just old and others are replacing it already.
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How about the EADS CASA C-295 medium transport aircraft which can operate as MPA as well.

Portugal just ordered 12 C-295s for 280 million euros to replace their existing fleet of 24 C-212s.

And speaking of soon to be retired Portuguese Air Force C-212s, if there's a way we can acquire those, then why not?
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One criteria that I'd set for choosing a Nomad replacement would be availability of maintenance expertise. That should reduce training costs.

We currently have former Philippine Airlines Fokker F27 that are just lying on the tarmac. Scraping funds to make those birds air worthy would be very worthwhile.

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Airline mechanics with Asian Spirit (some of whom could be members of the PAF reserve) also have experience maintaining the Indonesian-made CN235.

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Unless the manufacturer is no longer able to provide spares for this type, this would be an interesting choice.

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This would be ideal for STOL and crude airstrips, but like the G.222 old and being replaced already.

Buffalo-Max Payload 41,000 pounds. With 41 troops onboard, can land within 1,050 feet and takeoff within 1,225 feet.

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BN-Islander/new versions-Already a PAF and PN veteran. Now comes in new versions. BN2T turboprop or turbine engined, can do cargo work or surveillance duties. STOL capability can operate in only 350meter runway, some7,000 pound max cargo 837feet takeoff, 747feet landing. Version below houses a suface search radar, and external tanks?
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BN2T-4S Defender-dubbed Defender4000--stretched version of the islander/defender can be cargo work but also known as surveilance aircraft.
Manchester Police "Defender4000- notive the FLIR ball?
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picture above is thought of housing an APG-66 radar. 1,006 nautical mile, 8hour endurance on internal fuel. Can be armed with 4 hardpoints.

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This guide is intended as a broad indication of operating costs and is based on a Defender 4000 with 400HP Allison Turboprops.Your own fuel and labour costs should be used to arrive at an accurate local cost. Figures are based on an average aircraft utilisation of between 900 and 1000 hours per year. All costs are in US Dollars (USD).
Operating costs from Britten-Norman site:
Maintenance labour rate US$ 40.00
Maintenance man hours / flying hour 0.90
Exchange rate (where applicable) GBP1.00 = USD1.50

Direct Operating Costs (DOCs)
Inspection / MRO labour US$ 36.00
Airframe / system spares US$ 27.00
Avionics spares US$ 6.00
Engine spares US$ 4.50
Engine overhaul allowance US$ 79.65
Propellor overhaul allowance US$ 4.50

Total DOCs US$157.65

Additional DOCs - Fuel / Oil
Fuel - 36.5 US Gallons / hr @ US$1.70 per US Gallon US$ 62.05
Oil US$ 1.20

Total fuel / oil US$ 63.25
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This has labor rate in US and British, PAF pays less-sorry- :armycheers: . More Islander, Defender information on their site. Britten-Norman


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a replacement for the N-22 Nomad? if i am to choose the replacement for the N-22 Nomad based on its role, i think the C-212 Aviocar best fits it best...

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... but honestly, this is how i see things...

* replacement for the N-22 Nomad: C-212 Aviocar

* replacement for the Fokker F-27 Friendship:

- CN-235:

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- C-295 (lengthened version of the CN-235):

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- Basler BT-67 Turbo Dakota (old aircraft but still very viable):

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-C-23

One of nly several fixed wing aircraft operated by the US Army. Based on a civilian aircraft, modified by US army to
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answer to missions requiring an aircraft that is capable of faster, higher-altitude and longer-distance coverage than helicopters. The Sherpa comes with a low operating cost due to its simple, robust construction, compared to that of other cargo aircraft.
Seems great for transporting troops and supplies to local airfields taking the responsibility away from helicopters. Can carry 30 troops, equal number in cargo. Has STOL capability.

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-Beech 200/C-12 in US service-10 passengers or equal amount of cargo. Can operate from small airfields. Used extensively all over the world.

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With warming ties to China,
-Harbin Y-12-15 passengers, amount in cargo. Airframe and design chinese but engines are P&W Canada PT6A-27 turboprops. Would be great for short cargo work.

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Looks good for Nomad replacement. Considering its size.

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For the bigger one? This CN235-300 is perfect.

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Just updating some info:

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DATE:29/06/06
SOURCE:Flight International

Sukhoi Su-80 commuter turboprop performs first flight

The Sukhoi Su-80GP high-wing commuter turboprop has performed its first flight ahead of a certification flight test programme planned for this year.

The aircraft (82911), powered by two General Electric ST7-9B engines, flew from the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aviation Association (KnAAPO) runway in Siberia for a brief maiden flight (pictured below). The GP is 1.4m (4ft 7in) longer than the original two prototypes, which have already flown. Sukhoi says the aircraft will perform 15-20 certification flights this year following a series of five first test flights.

The Su-80GP quickchange cargo aircraft is designed to carry 30 passengers or 3,300kg (7,260lb) and is aimed at commuter routes up to 1,800km (1,000nm) in Russia and in rough terrain.

Production of the first serial aircraft is to begin next year.

http://www.flightglobal.com/Articles/2006/...orms+first.html

The cargo ramp in the rear fuselage is used to board passengers and load/unload cargo.

The plane's takeoff and landing performance and landing gear with low-pressure tyres make it possible to use it on small airfields, including unpaved, ice and snow-covered runways.

The design provides for multi-role configuration:

    * mixed cargo aircraft Su-80GP,
    * transport aircraft Su-80GP-100.

The Su-80 GP's hallmark is its convertibility, i.e., an option of quick reconfiguration from a passenger plane into a cargo carrier and back. Preliminary estimates indicate that this will enable the aircraft to accrue more flying time on commuter airlines than any dedicated passenger or cargo aircraft.

http://www.sukhoi.org/eng/planes/civil/su-80/

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Guys sorry to bring this tread up again.. but we all know what our beloved PAF really needs...


Nomad Twin To Return After 25 Years

Jun 19, 2008

By Graham Warwick

Australia's N24 Nomad 17-seat utility twin-turboprop is set to return to production after a quarter-century gap following Gippsland Aeronautics' purchase of the type certificate from Boeing Australia.

Morwell, Victoria-based Gippsland makes the eight-seat GA-8 Airvan and plans to deliver the first new Nomad in late 2010. Two Australian operators have signed letters of intent--Airfreight Solutions and tour operator Grant Kelly Aviation.

Gippsland says it is in an "advanced stage of negotiation with a partner on the project" to restart production, eying a projected market for more than 200 aircraft over 10 years. The company plans to fit uprated Rolls-Royce 250-B17F II turboprops and new propellers, reduce the empty weight, and evaluate upgraded avionics and glass cockpit options.

The Nomad will compete with Viking's Twin Otter 400 and RUAG's Dornier 228, both of which are re-entering production. Government Aircraft Factories first flew the Nomad in 1971 and 54 remain operational. Boeing Australia acquired the type certificate in 1996.

Photo: Gippsland Aeronautics

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