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| Tweet Topic Started: Apr 22 2005, 01:23 PM (7,339 Views) | |
| possible | Apr 22 2005, 01:23 PM Post #1 |
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the C-212 and the CN-235 come to mind. tirad's AC-47T is an intriguing rebuild. any other candidates, new, second-hand, rebuilt? ![]() PZL Mielec M28 Skytruck/Bryza Pratt & Whitney PT6 engines, maritime surveillance version in service, big in Venezuela ![]() Sukhoi Su-80 General Electric CT7s, rear loading ramp, 10-hour loiter? |
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| datu | Apr 22 2005, 03:19 PM Post #2 |
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The PAF in the past has requested C-26 aircraft from the US. C-26 in 3 versions operate in Air and Army National Guard. Turboprop aircraft, one version can accomodate as much as 19-22 passengers or equal amount of cargo, seats can be taken out in an all-cargo version. Also serve as surveilance plane, can be equipped with FLIR, Thermal Imaging and other suveillance equipment. Some US versions used to patrol US-Mexico border at night. Colombian version has APG-66 radar, other infrared imaging systems and other equpment. Dunno if it can take on STOL mission of NOMAD, but the civilian version was meant to be used in small airfields. Anybody know? Has a 2,000+ nautical mile range on max fuel. US gave financed the transfer and re-equipment of some 13 C-26 aircraft for Anti-Drug surveillance to Colombia, Peru, Venezuela, Barbados, and Trinidad and Tobago-all got 2 except Peru which got 3-. Purchases with US via FMS/EDA-type deals are a plus...? ![]() AN-140-Antonov-made in response to light/medium transport, max 6,000kilogram payload, 46-52 passengers, 1,134nautical mile range, . Interesting to note, the foreign export version is planned to be equipped with a Pratt and Whitney PW-127A engine. License manufactured in Iran dubbed "Iran-140", to be used for Light transport as well as armed/unarmed MPA version, as well as early warning command and control, as much as 100 to be built in iran for military and domentic duties. Maybe too big for PAF service since it is intended to replace Fokker27 in Iranian service. ![]() ![]() G.222 would be good, but it is just old and others are replacing it already.
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| Numbers | Apr 23 2005, 01:29 PM Post #3 |
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How about the EADS CASA C-295 medium transport aircraft which can operate as MPA as well. Portugal just ordered 12 C-295s for 280 million euros to replace their existing fleet of 24 C-212s. And speaking of soon to be retired Portuguese Air Force C-212s, if there's a way we can acquire those, then why not? |
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| adroth | Apr 24 2005, 06:42 AM Post #4 |
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One criteria that I'd set for choosing a Nomad replacement would be availability of maintenance expertise. That should reduce training costs. We currently have former Philippine Airlines Fokker F27 that are just lying on the tarmac. Scraping funds to make those birds air worthy would be very worthwhile. ![]() Airline mechanics with Asian Spirit (some of whom could be members of the PAF reserve) also have experience maintaining the Indonesian-made CN235. ![]() Unless the manufacturer is no longer able to provide spares for this type, this would be an interesting choice.
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| datu | Apr 25 2005, 08:58 AM Post #5 |
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This would be ideal for STOL and crude airstrips, but like the G.222 old and being replaced already. Buffalo-Max Payload 41,000 pounds. With 41 troops onboard, can land within 1,050 feet and takeoff within 1,225 feet. ![]() BN-Islander/new versions-Already a PAF and PN veteran. Now comes in new versions. BN2T turboprop or turbine engined, can do cargo work or surveillance duties. STOL capability can operate in only 350meter runway, some7,000 pound max cargo 837feet takeoff, 747feet landing. Version below houses a suface search radar, and external tanks? ![]() ![]() British Army BN2Tbelow ![]() BN2T-4S Defender-dubbed Defender4000--stretched version of the islander/defender can be cargo work but also known as surveilance aircraft. Manchester Police "Defender4000- notive the FLIR ball? ![]() ![]() ![]() picture above is thought of housing an APG-66 radar. 1,006 nautical mile, 8hour endurance on internal fuel. Can be armed with 4 hardpoints.
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| israeli | Apr 25 2005, 07:17 PM Post #6 |
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a replacement for the N-22 Nomad? if i am to choose the replacement for the N-22 Nomad based on its role, i think the C-212 Aviocar best fits it best...![]() ![]() ... but honestly, this is how i see things... * replacement for the N-22 Nomad: C-212 Aviocar * replacement for the Fokker F-27 Friendship: - CN-235: ![]() ![]() - C-295 (lengthened version of the CN-235): ![]() ![]() - Basler BT-67 Turbo Dakota (old aircraft but still very viable):
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| datu | Jul 27 2005, 03:14 AM Post #7 |
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-C-23 One of nly several fixed wing aircraft operated by the US Army. Based on a civilian aircraft, modified by US army to Seems great for transporting troops and supplies to local airfields taking the responsibility away from helicopters. Can carry 30 troops, equal number in cargo. Has STOL capability. ![]() ![]() ![]() -Beech 200/C-12 in US service-10 passengers or equal amount of cargo. Can operate from small airfields. Used extensively all over the world. ![]() ![]() With warming ties to China, -Harbin Y-12-15 passengers, amount in cargo. Airframe and design chinese but engines are P&W Canada PT6A-27 turboprops. Would be great for short cargo work. ![]()
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| flipzi | Jul 27 2005, 02:22 PM Post #8 |
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Looks good for Nomad replacement. Considering its size.![]() For the bigger one? This CN235-300 is perfect. ![]() |
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| possible | Jul 3 2006, 12:56 AM Post #9 |
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Just updating some info:
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| el_ramon | Jun 20 2008, 11:17 PM Post #10 |
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Guys sorry to bring this tread up again.. but we all know what our beloved PAF really needs... Nomad Twin To Return After 25 Years Jun 19, 2008 By Graham Warwick Australia's N24 Nomad 17-seat utility twin-turboprop is set to return to production after a quarter-century gap following Gippsland Aeronautics' purchase of the type certificate from Boeing Australia. Morwell, Victoria-based Gippsland makes the eight-seat GA-8 Airvan and plans to deliver the first new Nomad in late 2010. Two Australian operators have signed letters of intent--Airfreight Solutions and tour operator Grant Kelly Aviation. Gippsland says it is in an "advanced stage of negotiation with a partner on the project" to restart production, eying a projected market for more than 200 aircraft over 10 years. The company plans to fit uprated Rolls-Royce 250-B17F II turboprops and new propellers, reduce the empty weight, and evaluate upgraded avionics and glass cockpit options. The Nomad will compete with Viking's Twin Otter 400 and RUAG's Dornier 228, both of which are re-entering production. Government Aircraft Factories first flew the Nomad in 1971 and 54 remain operational. Boeing Australia acquired the type certificate in 1996. Photo: Gippsland Aeronautics link |
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