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Army officer: prioritize new transport ships
Topic Started: Jul 13 2008, 01:52 PM (2,336 Views)
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everyone is so concerned about OPSEC re the posting of the above pic by sir patriot but what about what I call ACSEC - actual security?, the lack of it which is clearly evident.

This is an eye-opener and lessons are learned, corrections to be made. I don't have to elaborate but that LT who talked to patriot should not be pilloried for violations of OPSEC rules, he's but a young idealistic officer on his first voyage onboard a navy ship who just expressed his valid concerns.

Who should be pilloried are the people responsible for the various lapses in ACSEC relative to this deployment.

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one thing to add to is that the LAD website mentions that the LST BRP Benguet # 507 was used to carry the MIB so there was really no need to erase the hull #.


I have not seen the multiply site prior to posting my pic.

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the important thing is to secure the port area where the LST is docked which the PN accomplishes by barricading the area where the ship is docked with container vans.. in fact you can see a container van in the photo which could be a barricade or could be unloading additional supplies for the LST. When US navy ships dock in the philippines the area is barricaded with container vans as a buffer against suicide attacks


Yes, that container van was a barricade alongside the No Entry sign. Beyond that is a tent where some of the soldiers were posted. I think there was ample security dockside.

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This is an eye-opener and lessons are learned, corrections to be made. I don't have to elaborate but that LT who talked to patriot should not be pilloried for violations of OPSEC rules, he's but a young idealistic officer on his first voyage onboard a navy ship who just expressed his valid concerns.


That's what I thought of him. He was spare with his words, soft-spoken, not the the blabbermouth humbug type of young officer. I think he was just voicing out real concerns per his experience. He did not instruct me to post his comments but I just felt he wanted it be known through me.

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Jul 14 2008, 08:18 PM
to my filipino halfbrothers its the hightime that you buy our Endeavour class transport ships, its not good to use very old ships for transport of soldiers, and tanks it might sink in even minor typhoons :armyeek: and about the escort its really important, when singapore sent the endeavour to assist tsunami victims in indonesia which is not a battle zone it was still escorted by our missile ships.

now tht philippines is infested with jemayah islamiah and abu sayyaff but your navy sends unarmed tranport ships without escorts, now that is very brave or very foolish decision.

C'mon SL, the whole Philippines aren't really "infested" with JI and Abu. Even you guys have their elements operating within your city fortress.
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Jul 14 2008, 08:53 PM
everyone is so concerned about OPSEC re the posting of the above pic by sir patriot but what about what I call ACSEC - actual security?, the lack of it which is clearly evident.

This is an eye-opener and lessons are learned, corrections to be made. I don't have to elaborate but that LT who talked to patriot should not be pilloried for violations of OPSEC rules, he's but a young idealistic officer on his first voyage onboard a navy ship who just expressed his valid concerns.

Who should be pilloried are the people responsible for the various lapses in ACSEC relative to this deployment.

AFSEC huh, that's a new one.

The more appropriate term is FORCE SECURITY and the lack of it in the PN is nothing new, LSTs regularly go on unescorted voyages. The MILF, MNLF, NPA, JI, ASG, Al Qaeda, etc know this fact and any one of these bad guys has yet to sink a single PN ship.

Trust our military, they know what they are doing. If they send a ship unescorted then they're absolutely sure that the route is safe and secure.



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Jul 13 2008, 06:44 PM
Mods, Please delete this post or at least block off the photo (for now). LOOSE LIPS SINK SHIPS. Maybe you can restore it after a week or two.

no need.

more sources have displayed the ship in a much much more detailed manner.

anyway, the photo is not enough to help the attackers plan completely. the thorough area information and overall security plan are what should be kept secured.

btw, we arent loose lips. we understand the dangers.

complacency on the part of the military is what will put them in danger.

nonetheless, thanks for reminding us all on the loose lips. the more we will be more picky.
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to my filipino halfbrothers its the hightime that you buy our Endeavour class transport ships, its not good to use very old ships for transport of soldiers, and tanks it might sink in even minor typhoons  :armyeek: and about the escort its really important, when singapore sent the endeavour to assist tsunami victims in indonesia which is not a battle zone it was still escorted by our missile ships.

now tht philippines is infested with jemayah islamiah and abu sayyaff but your navy sends unarmed tranport ships without escorts, now that is very brave or very foolish decision.

C'mon SL, the whole Philippines aren't really "infested" with JI and Abu. Even you guys have their elements operating within your city fortress.

What are you talking about

there's noinsurgency in singapore :armyeek:
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even without patrol oats around the ship, i see two machine guns (covered?) near the bow can this be operated imediately if there are enemies around?
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Jul 16 2008, 02:06 PM
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Jul 15 2008, 09:11 AM
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Jul 14 2008, 08:18 PM
to my filipino halfbrothers its the hightime that you buy our Endeavour class transport ships, its not good to use very old ships for transport of soldiers, and tanks it might sink in even minor typhoons  :armyeek: and about the escort its really important, when singapore sent the endeavour to assist tsunami victims in indonesia which is not a battle zone it was still escorted by our missile ships.

now tht philippines is infested with jemayah islamiah and abu sayyaff but your navy sends unarmed tranport ships without escorts, now that is very brave or very foolish decision.

C'mon SL, the whole Philippines aren't really "infested" with JI and Abu. Even you guys have their elements operating within your city fortress.

What are you talking about

there's noinsurgency in singapore :armyeek:

it has been used for money laundering and transhipment point for stuff headed to mindanao, malaysia and indonesia. few years back, several people connected with ji were caught video taping american sailors boarding the train. they may not be the arms carrying type, but, they are there.

vermonter - its been a while, doing covert stuff or something?
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Hey Eagle 1,

After I was instructed by my commander to stay away from foreign defense forums after the incident when I said some mean words, then 9-11 hit. Been all over the place ever since.
Bumping into AFP Officers and NCOs we train here stateside. A majority of Flip soldiers they send here for training are very idealistic, dedicated and loyal to the Philippines, no matter how financially rewarding it wold be for them to stay in the USA. We had a Phil Army captain offered a chance to switch to the US Army. He turned it down, because he explained that the RP spent a lot of money to send him to Ft Sill. A Phil Marine SGT had a chance to TNT, but said it would taint the Phil Marines' image. You guys would be proud. Out of the hundreds that come here, there are only a couple of rotten apples I know of. AFP personnel are taken care of the most compared to their foreign counterparts on US military bases, just like seeing another Guard guy.
Currently on flying status, the refurbishing Hueys out at Ozark is just outside the gate, and are awesome. Not state of the art, but reliable and cool to look at. No problems with finding spares. I don't care what anyone says, I'd rather fly the Huey than the 60 I'm in now.
Glad to see you and the others still blogging. Take care!


SL,

They don't have to be armed with guns or blades to operate in one's country. A couple of months ago Selamat Kastari escaped a Singapore prisoners with help from JI and their supporters. Singapore prisons are known to more secured than Fort Leavenworth. I couldn't believe it was possible. I'm glad that Singapore and Indonesian along with Filipino and Thai authorities are pro-active in hunting down these hate mongers.
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Jul 17 2008, 03:26 AM
After I was instructed by my commander to stay away from foreign defense forums after the incident when I said some mean words, then 9-11 hit. Been all over the place ever since.

It's great that you ended up here. :thumb:
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