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| truegrit | Jun 4 2005, 12:16 PM Post #81 |
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Well, this old PN ships will be at par with the new ones if we can further enhanced its systems like the Radars, fire control, Engines and Armaments. Its better to have something than nothing anyway.....So its unfair to call our PN as Navy without ships since we slowly acquiring Naval ships that can assert our sovereignty like the PKMs from South Korea, Jacinto Class corvettes, Cyclone class, incoming Seawolves from Singapore?.....I believe we can acquire 45metre Protector class OPV from Babcock Cebu Shipyard also but their hands are full too... |
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| israeli | Jun 4 2005, 02:19 PM Post #82 |
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gritpaladin: i think the Philippine Navy will get the respect that it deserves ONLY if it will be able to field "real naval vessels" such as corvettes, OPVs, modern LSTs, mine warfare vessels, fleet support vessels and submarines; maritime patrol aircraft; and multi-role naval helicopters aside from inshore patrol vessels (PKMs, Cyclones, Sea Wolves [if ever we will get them], Andrada, etc.). ![]() oh... if ever they will be retired, i hope that the PN will be able to preserve the Cannon class destroyer escort, one of the Auk class corvettes and one of the PCE class corvettes. they deserve to be preserved as part of Philippine naval heritage.
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| truegrit | Jun 4 2005, 08:03 PM Post #83 |
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Hey thats a good idea...at least the Phlippine Navy can generate funds for their operations by building a Museum of Old Naval Ships (retired) and attract local and foreign tourist as well...This will be quite educational for our incoming dreamers and aspiring engineers as well. In the United States, mothballed Battleships & old surface naval ships like cruisers are being anchored for public viewing.
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| israeli | Jun 4 2005, 08:15 PM Post #84 |
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many preservation groups, particularly those in the States, are looking forward for the retirement of the Philippine Navy's World War II-era warships, particularly the BRP Rajah Humabon, which is the last known operational Cannon class destroyer escort in the world. wouldn't it be nice to see the BRP Rajah Humabon, one of the Auk class corvettes, one of the PCE class corvettes and one of the very old LSTs being preserved and moored either at the Philippine Navy headquarters in Roxas Boulevard or in the naval base in Cavite and turned into floating museums?
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| flipzi | Jun 4 2005, 08:32 PM Post #85 |
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It will be better if we will just sell this to the American buyers. Turning them into floating museums wont earn us that much money. Plus the cost of maintaining these will be unreasonable. The proceeds can then be used to buy even second-hand missile gunboats or corvettes. Imagine? Old ships for better-armed and faster ships that we can be proud of?
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| israeli | Jun 4 2005, 08:38 PM Post #86 |
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flipzi: maybe we will preserve one of them (that might be the BRP Rajah Humabon) and sell the rest to preservation groups or as scrap. what do you think?
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| datu | Jun 4 2005, 11:22 PM Post #87 |
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israeli said: "flipzi: maybe we will preserve one of them (that might be the BRP Rajah Humabon) and sell the rest to preservation groups or as scrap. what do you think?" The BRP Rajah Humabon is worth more than other ships in the PN. Atherton-Rajah Humabon- was one of if not is the ship that sunk a German submarine around US waters. Groups have taken interests to take her up for preservation when she is going to be retired from PN service...they are going to have to wait for a long, long time it seems. |
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| israeli | Jun 5 2005, 09:40 AM Post #88 |
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well, the BRP Rajah Humabon is indeed that US Navy DE that sunk a German U-Boat near the US coast during World War II. so many groups, particularly those based in the US, have expressed intentions to buy the Rajah Humabon when she is retired from PN service and preserve her as a museum ship. however, i would rather want to see the BRP Rajah Humabon being preserved by the Philippine Navy itself and moored at PN headquarters in Manila as a museum ship instead of it going to the US. besides, the BRP Rajah Humabon (ex-USS Atherton) has served longer in the Philippine Navy than the US Navy and the JMSDF. we can keep the Rajah Humabon and tell its story to future generations as the ship that sunk a German U-Boat near the US coast and served as the flagship of the Philippine fleet. ![]() * my idea is really something like this: - the BRP Rajah Humabon (Cannon class destroyer escort) will be preserved and moored at the Philippine Navy Headquarters in Roxas Boulevard as a museum ship - turn one of the Auk class corvettes into a training ship - save two of the very old LSTs, upgrade them and place them on "ready reserve" status - discard the rest of the World War II-era vessels by selling them to either preservation groups or to scrap dealers |
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| israeli | Jun 5 2005, 09:56 AM Post #89 |
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i found this while surfing the internet. this is the background of the BRP Rajah Humabon as USS Atherton... http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USN/ships/dafs/DE/de169.html USS Atherton (DE-169) Atherton (DE-169) was launched laid down on 14 January 1943 at Newark, N.J., by the Federal Drydock & Shipbuilding Co.; launched on 27 May 1943; sponsored by Mrs. Cornelia A. Atherton, Lieutenant Atherton's mother; completed a the Norfolk Navy Yard; and commissioned there 29 August 1943, Lieutenant P.L. Mansell, Jr., USNR, in command. Atherton began shakedown in September. During this time, conducted exercises in Chesapeake Bay and made two cruises to Bermuda. On 13 November, she got underway for Puerto Rico. Upon her arrival there, the destroyer escort assumed antisubmarine warfare (ASW) patrol duties in waters between St. Croix, Virgin Islands, and the Anegada Passage. On 24 November, she attacked a submarine contact, but observed no evidence of damage. The ship was relieved three days later and returned to Norfolk on 30 November. There, she began making daily cruises in Chesapeake Bay to train prospective crew members for destroyer escorts. Atherton left Norfolk on 11 December to escort a convoy bound for the Panama Canal but was back in Hampton Roads on 27 December. From January 1944 to May 1945, Atherton operated under the control of Task Force 62 on escort duty for transatlantic convoys. She escorted convoys from Norfolk and New York City to various ports in the Mediterranean. These ports included Casablanca, Morocco; Bizerte, Tunisia; and Oran, Algeria. Atherton periodically reported to the Boston Navy Yard for overhaul. On 9 May 1945, while en route from New York to Boston, Atherton encountered a U-boat. After four depth charge attacks, pieces of broken wood, cork, mattresses, and an oil slick broke the surface. Atherton, in conjunction with Moberly (PF-63), was later credited with destroying the German submarine U-853. On 28 May, Atherton sailed for Guantanamo Bay, Cuba. She arrived on 1 June and held a week of exercises with Escort Division 13 before sailing on 6 June for the Pacific. Proceeding via the Panama Canal and San Diego, Atherton arrived at Pearl Harbor on 29 June. There, the ship underwent a tender availability and carried out a series of exercises before getting underway on 15 July for the Marianas. She reached Saipan on 26 July and conducted antisubmarine patrols off Saipan. On 5 August, she got underway for Ulithi, where she operated on picket station until 18 August. Between 19 August and 16 September, Atherton made two round-trip voyages escorting convoys to Okinawa. She was then assigned to rescue station duties out of Saipan which lasted through the end of the war. [It is reported that Atherton also provided escort while Japanese forces were evacuated from Pagan and Marcus Islands after the surrender.] On 1 November, Atherton headed back toward the United States. After stops at Pearl Harbor and San Diego, she transited the Panama Canal and arrived at Jacksonville, Fla., in December. On 10 December 1945, she was decommissioned and placed in reserve at Green Cove Springs, Fla. On 14 June 1955, Atherton was transferred to Japan under the Mutual Defense Assistance Program; and her name was struck from the Navy list. Atherton was awarded one battle star for her World War II service. * NOTE: after her retirement from JMSDF in 1978, it was returned by Japan to the US. the US, in turn, transferred the Cannon class DE to the Philippine Navy in 1978. it was formally commissioned into the Philippine Navy as the BRP Rajah Humabon in 1980 after refit in South Korea. here's a photo of the USS Atherton (currently BRP Rajah Humabon) taken on the same day that it attacked the German U-Boat: http://www.navsource.org/archives/06/0616901.jpg |
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| flipzi | Jun 6 2005, 12:49 PM Post #90 |
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At least, tourist can still have the chance of seeing what a WW2 ship looks like. :thumb: :thumb: It will draw much tourists if we will put it in Subic or right at the Navy HQ in Roxas Blvd. |
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