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Perhaps the Navy would like to have some of these
Topic Started: Dec 31 2007, 09:40 PM (2,245 Views)
israeli
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midget submarines made in Pakistan. :armywink:


http://www.karachishipyard.com.pk/products/minimar.htm


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Midget Submarines


A State of the Art MIDGET submarine built for Pakistan Navy in collaboration with M/s COSMOS of Italy. The boat is capable of firing torpedoes and carrying mines. It is available both in Offensive as well as Defensive roles.

Other features include:

• Stealth capability
• Quiet Transiting
• Shallow Water Operations
• Sneak Operations
• Commando Operations
• Surveillance and Intelligence Missions


SPECIFICATIONS

Length (Overall): 27.28 M
Height (Overall): 5.59 M
Pressure Hull Diameter: 2.30 M
Pressure Hull Length: 19.10 M
Displacement (Surfaced): 102 Tons
Displacement (Submerged): 110 Tons
Operation Depth: 100 M
Max. speed (Surfaced): 9 Knots (on diesel engine)
Max. speed (Submerged): 6 Knots (on batteries)
Endurance: Over 1000 Nautical Miles on Diesel Engine
Armament : Torpedo Firing Tubes, Mines Laying Hooks
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What about production/sales and maintennance costs?
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That midget subs is good enough for our PN to train for future ASW capability. In a possible invasio, only these subs stand a chance to counter an invading fleet, well take chances on not being detected by radar.

get 2-3 of these subs!maybe 10 years from now, well have a new sub platform on our fleet
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Submarines has powerful psychological deterance to the enemy due to its nature to give Havoc and destruction to an entire Navy formation without being undetected.
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here's another good option for an "initial investment" in submarine warfare by the Philippine Navy. from Kockums, builders of the Gotland, Collins and Challenger classes of submarines, comes the SEA DAGGER MIDGET SUBMARINES.


http://www.naval-technology.com/projects/dagger/


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-- artist's impression of the Sea Dagger


SEA DAGGER SPECIAL OPERATIONS SUBMARINES, SWEDEN


The Sea Dagger series of submarines are special operations vehicles developed by Kockums of Malmo, Sweden, now owned by HDW of Germany. The small stealthy submarines are tailored for five types of missions: attack; autonomous swimmer delivery; surveillance and minehunting; and as a target vehicle for antisubmarine warfare exercises and training.

The Sea Dagger variants are constructed from three modules, the bow and stern modules and one chosen from four specific mission module options. The submarines are small, with displacement in the range of 55t to 72t, a length of between 16 and 20m, a height of 3.6m and a diameter of 2.5m.

The four variants of Sea Dagger are equipped with sonar, communications systems, and a comprehensive navigation suite including a navigation computer, a gyroscope compass, speed log, depth gauge, echo sounder, global positioning system, navigation radar and optronic mast.


PROPULSION

The diesel electric engine provides a surface speed of 6 or 7 knots according to the submarine configuration, and a submerged speed of 8 knots. The operational endurance is eight days (five days for the Advanced Target Submarine). The range is 2 x 350 nautical miles at 4 knots (3 knots for the ATS), and 70 nautical miles under battery power at 4 knots (35 nm at 3 knots for the ATS). The surface speed is 7 knots and the underwater speed 8 knots. The operational endurance is eight days (five days for the ATS).


SEA DAGGER SMALL ATTACK SUBMARINE

The Small Attack Submarine has the capability to carry and launch externally stowed weapons. A range of half-length anti-submarine warfare (ASW) weapons and mines can be carried. The submarine is operated by a crew of four, with two combat system operators. The rescue chamber can accommodate single escape or lockout.

The attack submarine is fitted with passive, intercept and obstacle avoidance sonar. The communications systems include VLF/LF, HF, and VHF antennae, internal and external communications, an underwater telephone system and a diver communications system.

The submarine's combat systems include a command and control system, electronic support measures, two external torpedo tubes and a weapons launching system.


SEA DAGGER AUTONOMOUS SWIMMER DELIVERY VEHICLE (ASDV)

The ASDV Autonomous Swimmer Delivery Vehicle carries, delivers and retrieves combat swimmers. The operational endurance is eight days. The vehicle carries no external weapons.

The submarine is operated by a crew of four and can accommodate up to six divers. A lockout chamber allows four divers to exit simultaneously.

The ASDV has passive, intercept and obstacle avoidance sonar. The communications suite includes a VLF/LF antenna system, HF and VHF antennae, external and internal communications, underwater telephone system and a diver communication system.


SEA DAGGER ADVANCED SURVEILLANCE VEHICLE (ASV)

The Advanced Surveillance Vehicle is equipped for surveillance and minehunting operations. An electronic support measures system is installed on the submarine. The communications system provides transfer of surveillance data. The submarine is operated by a crew of four, with two surveillance and minehunting system operators.

The submarine has passive, intercept and obstacle avoidance sonar. The communications systems on the surveillance vehicle are VLF/LF, HF and VHF antennae, external and internal communications, underwater telephone and diver communications.


SEA DAGGER ADVANCED TARGET SUBMARINE (ATS)

The Advanced Target Submarine, ATS, provides a target vehicle for Anti-Submarine Warfare (ASW) training primarily for littoral warfare training. A variety of signatures and target signal strengths can be generated by the target simulator. The ATS is operated by a crew of three and the operational endurance is five days.

The Advanced Target Simulator is equipped with an obstacle avoidance radar, a VHF antenna system, external and internal communications and an underwater telephone system.


SPECIFICATIONS:


Crew:

small attack Submarine: 4 crew, 2 combat systems operators
autonomous swimmer delivery Vehicle: 4 crew, 6 combat swimmers
advanced surveillance Vehicle: 4 crew, 2 surveillance /minehunting operators
advanced target Submarine: 3 crew


Chambers:

small attack Submarine: rescue chamber, single escape/lockout
autonomous swimmer delivery Vehicle: 4 swimmers simultaneously, upward downward exit
advanced surveillance Vehicle: rescue chamber, single escape/lockout
advanced target Submarine: rescue chamber, single escape/lockout

Dimensions: length, height, diameter, displacement:

small attack Submarine: 19.3 x 3.6 x 2.5 metres, 70 tons
autonomous swimmer delivery Vehicle: 19.9 x 3.6 x 2.5 metres, 72 tons
advanced surveillance Vehicle: 19.3 x 3.6 x 2.5 metres, 70 tons
advanced target Submarine: 16.4 x 3.6 x 2.5 metres, 55 tons
diving depth: 100 metres
Propulsion: diesel electric


Speed:

small attack Submarine: underwater 8 kts, surface 7 kts
autonomous swimmer delivery Vehicle: underwater 8 kts, surface 7 kts
advanced surveillance Vehicle: underwater 8 kts, surface 7 kts
advanced target Submarine: underwater 8 kts, surface 6 kts


Range, snorting:

small attack Submarine: 2 x 350 nm (snorting 4/4kts)
autonomous swimmer delivery Vehicle: 2 x 350 nm (snorting 4/4kts)
advanced surveillance Vehicle: 2 x 350 nm (snorting 4/4kts)
advanced target Submarine: 2 x 350 nm (snorting 3/3kts)


Range, battery powered:

small attack Submarine: 70 nautical miles (battery, 4 knots)
autonomous swimmer delivery Vehicle: 70 nautical miles (battery, 4 knots)
advanced surveillance Vehicle: 70 nautical miles (battery, 4 knots)
advanced target Submarine: 35 nautical miles (battery, 4 knots)


operational endurance:

small attack Submarine: 8 days
advanced surveillance Vehicle: 8 days
advanced target Submarine: 5 days


more about the Sea Dagger from Kockums. :armywink:
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PRICES OF SOME DIESEL-ELECTRIC SUBMARINES:


three (3) Agosta 90B class submarines for Pakistan: $258.33 million each (1994 prices, according to globalsecurity.org)

three (3) Type 209/1400 Mod submarines for South Africa: $285 million each (2006 prices, according to strategypage.com)

two (2) Scorpene class submarines for Chile: $250 million each (2005 prices, according to Taipei Times)

three (3) Type 214 submarines for South Korea: $373.33 million each (2000 prices, according to globalsecurity.org)

eight (8) Kilo class submarines for China: $200 million to $250 million each (source: Wikipedia)

Gotland class submarine: $100 million each (source: strategypage.com)

Type 212A submarine: $250 million each (source: strategypage.com)
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Mar 23 2008, 04:43 AM
PRICES OF SOME DIESEL-ELECTRIC SUBMARINES:


three (3) Agosta 90B class submarines for Pakistan: $258.33 million each (1994 prices, according to globalsecurity.org)

three (3) Type 209/1400 Mod submarines for South Africa: $285 million each (2006 prices, according to strategypage.com)

two (2) Scorpene class submarines for Chile: $250 million each (2005 prices, according to Taipei Times)

three (3) Type 214 submarines for South Korea: $373.33 million each (2000 prices, according to globalsecurity.org)

eight (8) Kilo class submarines for China: $200 million to $250 million each (source: Wikipedia)

Gotland class submarine: $100 million each (source: strategypage.com)

Type 212A submarine: $250 million each (source: strategypage.com)

Surface Ships with ASW & ASW aircraft is much better & must be the first priority :salute:

Submarines: later
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I second that motion ????? :aberet:
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bakit no pinaguusapan ang submarines dito, tinuloy na ba ng afp ang dati nilang plano?
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Submarines are standard part or asset of any Navy and it is not a luxury.

For sure PN wants a submarine in their arsenal because it comply to modern Navy doctrines.

We need to take the first bold step to improve the entire PN or AFP so it will not be hard for us to think that acquiring High ticket items is not afordable for our defense.

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