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| PAF Combat Utility Helicopter (CUH) procurement; includes W3 Sokol discussions, updates | |
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| Topic Started: Dec 31 2007, 07:55 AM (220,888 Views) | |
| tirad | Dec 31 2007, 07:55 AM Post #1 |
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philstar.com/index.php?...20071230127 AFP sets new bid for new helicopters Monday, December 31, 2007 Philippine Star The Armed Forces of the Philippines (AFP) has decided to disregard an earlier bidding for suppliers of night-capable attack helicopters after President Arroyo ordered the release of P5 billion for the purchase of more aircraft, a ranking military official said. “The bids and awards committee has decided to conduct another bidding to ensure that we get the same brand of helicopters,” AFP vice chief Lt. Gen. Antonio Romero said. The P5 billion that was released by the President is part of the funding for the capability upgrade program of the AFP, intended to modernize the ill-equipped military to enable it to meet the 2010 deadline set by their commander-in-chief to crush the 39-year-old communist insurgency and the al-Qaeda-linked Abu Sayyaf. In an interview, Romero said they are set to conduct another bidding for the procurement of night-capable attack helicopters that would be worth P3.2 billion instead of P1.2 billion, which was earlier earmarked for its purchase. Romero said the AFP also intends to buy utility aircraft such as the Vietnam War-vintage UH1H Huey that would be worth P3 billion. Romero, who is also chair of the AFP modernization board, explained that getting the same brand of helicopters would be more cost efficient in terms of spare parts and training for pilots. He further said it would not be advisable to get aircraft made by different manufacturers even if they have the same specifications. “We were advised that it is not good to get different brands of helicopters even if it is a carbon copy of the other,” he said. Romero, however, did not specify how many attack and utility helicopters could be bought by the military with that amount, but he said out of the P5 billion, P3 billion would be used to purchase cargo helicopters, while the rest would be used for attack helicopters. Romero added that those who have earlier joined the bidding and placed a higher price for the military hardware would make their costs lower for them to win the contract. He said that the utility helicopters that would be purchased by the AFP should be able to lift at least a squad of soldiers, for troop insertion during combat, as well as to airlift casualties and bring supplies for frontline forces. In a separate interview, Air Force chief Lt. Gen. Horacio Tolentino said McDonnel Douglas, a foreign supplier, won the earlier bidding for six units of night capable attack helicopters. He said he is not certain if the setting aside of the earlier bidding would pose legal problems if the winner pursues the contract, which, according to him, is in its post-qualification stage. But Tolentino agreed that it would be wise to buy the same kind of aircraft with the money as it would be more cost efficient for the AFP. – James Mananghaya |
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| flipzi | Dec 31 2007, 10:27 AM Post #2 |
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uhmm..... sounds nice... but with 2 billion out of th 5 billion amount,... IT WILL NOT BE ENOUGH. WHAT ATTACK CHOPPER and HOW MANY OF IT CAN 2 BILLION PESOS BUY US?  2? 3?  Why not just reallocate the 20 billion intended for more foot soldiers to the purchase of more attack helicopters instead? |
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| el_ramon | Dec 31 2007, 10:38 AM Post #3 |
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guess no chinese aircraft for us hehe.. why cant our govt let our airforce invest in a new flatform? still the huey and the little birds? |
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| tirad | Dec 31 2007, 11:08 AM Post #4 |
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Something's amiss with the figures in this newspaper report. It says: Which would be a good thing in a way because that's a P2 billion increase for attack helos. But IIRC, it was P2 billion in the first place, not 1.2. But later, it says: So it's actually P2 billion for attack helos? Ano ba talaga. On another point... That's a good number of additional Hueys. If at about $1M per refurbished Huey, that would mean more than 60 units. |
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| spearhead | Dec 31 2007, 12:07 PM Post #5 |
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Ok. For the attack gunships, i caculated $8.13 million allowance for 1 AH-1Z cobra, ah este for 1 gunship, so its an increase of about $ 4M? Thats probably including the parts and maintenance of each gunships. They may still be considering the Cobra gunships if they are still planning to purchase 6 units. How much is 1 cobra gunship again? Anyone? Tnx! Meanwhile, for the utility choppers, yup they most likely will acquire UH-1 HueyII or some other huey Griffin type, if its not a blackhawk. Isn't 1 squad? 1 squad is like 12, right? Good thing they cancelled it, and i hope they do a better job this time! :thumb: |
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| israeli | Dec 31 2007, 12:31 PM Post #6 |
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with this latest news, i am wondering if any military contractor will still take the AFP and the Philippine government seriously. 
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| boybim | Dec 31 2007, 03:25 PM Post #7 |
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this is great news, additional 2B pesos for more attack helis. i think the cobra will come into scene with that amount of maney, or the purchase oF the MD530 from just 8 to 12 attack helis?but if the PAF is looking for the more viable attack helis, i suggest the total packege must be considered carefully. if theyl go for same contractor, then maybe the cobra and the huey will win this one. getting AH-1S cobras is good enough for me, though the MD530 is more economical in terms of price per unit. Getting 50 UH1's then converting 50 of the cureent hueys to huey II standards!that will really be agreat deal for us.go PAF! 
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| spearhead | Jan 1 2008, 05:59 AM Post #8 |
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AH-1S? I got that photo from another forum. It ain't look bad eh? That one is a complete package to annihilate the extremists. :thumb: |
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| boybim | Jan 1 2008, 09:41 AM Post #9 |
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thats a bad ass heli spearhead. looks real mean too.logistically, its the best alternative. It shares the same engine with the huey II.its newer than the AH1G's and has enough whistles for COIN ops. the "z"and the "W" models are a bit complicated. remember that the "S" was made with close gound attack supprt, while the "Z" and the "W' are either anti-tank, or marinized attack helis. We dont need much of this capabilities. the S is the best. i hope it will win the new bidding as for the utility helis, HUEY II 's are simply the best. new twin engines on tested platforms. getting some of the bigger bell 412's and UH1N's also are what im looking for. forget about the z-9, untested platforms and a bit odd for COIN specs. it reminds me of the s76 helis. thats the worst heli we procured for ops, underpowered, too sophisticated and hard to maintain for a gunship utility heli. its best for SAR since speed is key. the huey's are simply the best rugged kick ass utility helis ever. the cobra also will make a lot of rebs nightmares come true. they can run but they cant hide!
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| adrian_yamato | Jan 1 2008, 01:54 PM Post #10 |
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BTW, the Cobras & the Hueys we used have the same engines right? so, it will be easy to procure :thumb: |
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