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| PAF trainer jet missing; S211 lost to Typhoon Lando? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 26 2007, 04:31 PM (3,660 Views) | |
| City Hunter | Dec 26 2007, 01:36 PM Post #51 |
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What's the update on this? Have the missing airmen been found already? |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| israeli | Dec 26 2007, 02:30 PM Post #52 |
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US declines RP request for help in search of missing pilots By Tarra Quismundo Philippine Daily Inquirer First Posted 06:17pm (Mla time) 12/24/2007 MANILA, Philippines--The United States military has declined a request from the Philippine Air Force (PAF) for a US vessel to help search for two pilots and a trainer jet that have been missing for almost a month now. Citing current deployment and limitations of its sub-sea search vessels, the Hawaii-based US Pacific Command (PACOM) has thumbed down PAF's request for an underwater search vessel to aid its search for an S-211 trainer jet that disappeared off the Kalayaan Island Group (KIG). “The US Pacific Command received an inquiry from the Armed Forces of the Philippines requesting the feasibility of providing US search capabilities. The AFP has been informed that US PACOM requested assets are not available due to the limited number of sub-surface search capability assets in the Pacific area of responsibility, and current operational tasking,” said Maj. David Griesmer, US PACOM media officer, in an e-mailed reply to the Philippine Daily Inquirer (parent company of INQUIRER.net). Lt. Gen. Horacio Tolentino, the PAF chief, earlier said the Air Force sent a letter to the PACOM to request a US underwater search vessel to help out Philippine ships scouring the waters off KIG for the plane and its pilots that disappeared off the islands on Nov. 26. The recourse of a sub-sea search mission was taken as weeks of aerial search yielded no results, not even a sighting of the aircraft or its parts. PAF officials suspected the aircraft could have crashed on a nosedive into the sea as it could not be detected from the air. Given the Philippines' limited undersea search capabilities, the Air Force sought US help. The US military earlier sent a maritime patrol aircraft, a P-3 Orion, to help look for the jet and its pilots, Capt. Gavino Mercado Jr. and Capt. Bonifacio Soriano III. Long hours of its search sorties, however, failed in finding the plane and the pilots. Search missions of PAF, the Philippine Navy and the Philippine Coast Guard have been suspended for the meantime, the Air Force base in Palawan said on Monday. The Philippine Air Force has vowed never to give up its search until the missing crewmen and plane were found. The missing trainer jet suddenly lost contact with its tandem plane while flying over the KIG on Nov. 26, when it was deployed as wingman to another S-211 deployed for a search mission for a missing boat. PAF has four S-211s left in its fleet. The trainer jet has been used for a variety of missions for the military, including combat operations and pilot training. |
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| MSantor | Dec 26 2007, 03:41 PM Post #53 |
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Spearhead, That is not the right attitude to take; the RP should not be overly dependent on the United States for aid otherwise you will be forever in their debt. The only people who can help the Filipino people are the Filipino people themselves and it is time to start looking for both indigenous alternatives and other non-American, foreign alternatives for possible MRFs and other replacement aircraft for the AFP. BTW, Merry Christmas, Spearhead!
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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton | |
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| City Hunter | Dec 26 2007, 06:32 PM Post #54 |
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If the US doesn't want to help and there's nothing we can do to compel them can't our partners in ASEAN help us? |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| flipzi | Dec 26 2007, 08:41 PM Post #55 |
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| spearhead | Dec 27 2007, 01:52 AM Post #56 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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Indeed MSantor. :thumb: Merry Christmas and have a happy new year dudeski!!!
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| City Hunter | Feb 3 2008, 06:28 PM Post #57 |
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Ano na nangyari sa balitang ito? Totally forgotten na ba ang mga pilotong ito? Do we have something like a Bermuda Triangle here? Baka pwede isakay na lang mga pulitiko natin sa mga natitirang S211 at papuntahin rin where these guys went missing. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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