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PAF trainer jet missing; S211 lost to Typhoon Lando?
Topic Started: Nov 26 2007, 04:31 PM (3,662 Views)
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Yes indeed.

The Air Force is at fault as well.

There are suits fitted with lights so even a night rescue is possible and there should be flare guns tucked in them.

The best gadget though is a radio beacon so rescuers can home in on the downed pilot.

As for now, the Air Force should consult PAG-ASA or any govt agency that has knowledge abaout oceanography. .. SO THEY CAN CALCULATE OR EXTIMATE AT WHAT DISTANCE AND DIRECTION THE PILOTS MAY HAVE DRIFTED AWAY.

As to why the orange objects dissapeared may imply two things.

1) It was seen while there was enough sunlight that penetrated and illuminated the object, assuming it was beneath the surface. This can be confirmed by asking the pilots if there was enough sunlight when they spotted the object. If it is true, then the wreckage is just around 25 feet deep or so. The best time to do another visual sweep is at noontime or when there's enough sunlight.

2) It has drifted away. If this is the case, then most likely it is the parachute the pilots used.

Also it could have been one of many life jackets from the ill-fated fishing vessel that these hapless pilots were trying to locate.

BTW, if the Air Force cannot buy radio beacons for now, then they shuold at least equipt all pilots with flares and beacon lights, so that rescuers can be done easily even at night.
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I think this is the time for our government to wake up and do something about our airforce.Im wondering why its taking too long to implement the modernization act,that some of our personnel have to ditch to the sea with aging planes before our government will act.Now we only have 4 AS 2.11 planes as guardians of Philippines airspace,are they not concerened about that?,i hope the two pilots are safe.Theres really too much corruption in our government :demon: ,that even budget for our defense capability are being "maliciously spent" in other things.How can we protect our economic assets if we dont have a strong armed forces :headbang: ,Hope our government will realize the dire needs to our AFP to modernize.But still even lacking in equipment i sbelieve that our AFP is one of the best in this region in combat readiness,it only needs right equipments.Mabuhay ang AFP :salute: Mabuhay ang Pilipinas :patrioticpinoy:
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Dec 7 2007, 03:18 PM
Theres really too much corruption in our government :demon: ,that even budget for our defense capability are being "maliciously spent" in other things.

The reason that is becoming apparent is that they DO NOT WANT to modernize just yet because doing so will end all the wars.

THAT WOULD RESULT TO LESS OPERATIONAL FUNDS THAT WILL BE INFUSED INTO THE DIFFERENT MILITARY UNITS.

The players chooses to have more CASH AT HAND that they can manipulate.

Worse, divert to other means like ELECTION CAMPAIGN FUNDS OR POCKETING IT.

Check this;

They dont want to spned teh big bukcs for buying military hardwares because they will not be able to get much form it ... COMPARED TO GETTING FRESH CASH THROUGH OPERATIONAL FUND ALLOCATIONS.

One proof?

They say they cant buy much needed choppers because it cost too much. They only infused a thin 5 billion pesos for the purchase. Were even getting 6 choppers that are considered weaklings in their category.

But whe it comes to operatonal funds.... 20 BILLION seems like nothing. Approved agad!

Get the point now?


Then they would tell us these:

http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=4784&st=120
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Military report says it can’t defeat NPA by 2010

http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/...ticle_id=100769

Last updated 08:21am (Mla time) 11/14/2007


MANILA, Philippines -- The Armed Forces of the Philippines has had limited success in destroying the firepower of communist insurgents, putting it way behind the target of wiping out the rebellion by 2010, a classified military report said.

President Gloria Macapagal-Arroyo, who is also the AFP Commander in Chief, has said she wants the communist New People’s Army (NPA) largely defeated by the time she steps down from power in June 2010.

But an assessment report seen by Reuters said the military was not winning enough victories against the NPA, which despite the collapse of communism worldwide, continued to strike a chord with poor Filipinos angered at widening inequality at home.

“Although there were successes in all threat areas, the military was not gaining enough to attain strategic victory at the desired rate,” said the report on the government’s Operation “Bantay Laya,” or “Guard Freedom.”

“If the military continues its operations at the current rate, it is projected that the communist insurgency will be defeated by 2018,” the report prepared by the Office of the Deputy Chief of Staff for Plans said.

The NPA, which is fighting for the establishment of a communist government, has waged a rebellion since 1969 that has killed more than 40,000 people. Peace talks with the government broke down in 2004.

Under fire for its human rights record and for falling behind the 2010 goal, the military readjusted its anticommunist strategy this year by focusing less on combat operations and more on information campaigns and development projects to counter civilian support for the NPA.

Bantay Laya, part II

With its new strategy, “Bantay Laya II,” the military is predicting that 80 percent of the NPA’s 100 bases will be dismantled by 2010, a tall order given that less than 20 camps have been removed since the beginning of 2002.

The AFP wants to flush the 6,300-member NPA out of around 19 bases in 2007. The military has removed only five bases in the first half.

Political adventurism

In its strategic assessment, the military said inadequate resources, particularly a lack of helicopters and transport planes, were a problem when trying to corner rebels living in remote, mountainous areas.

The AFP, which has been involved in over a dozen coup plots since the overthrow of Ferdinand Marcos in 1986, also said its soldiers were distracted by “political adventurism” and their deployment during elections.

The report said that soldiers could not focus on their security roles because they were overburdened with other tasks, unrealistic targets and a lack of funds.

Weak in propaganda

At the policy level, the assessment report found that the government did not prosecute enough militants and its propaganda was weak.

Hundreds of leftist activists have been murdered since Ms Arroyo came to power in 2001 and a United Nations rapporteur has said the military was responsible for many of the killings, which international groups say were part of a dirty war against the Left.

The military has denied the executions were official policy and has blamed rogue soldiers and internal purges within the NPA. Reuters



Going back to the topic,....

...the Air Force needs to prepare for the next event. Helping the pilots survive such accident is necessary.
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for conspiracy theorists out there, check out this post by bejo1968 in the other forum:

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Totoo bang binabagsak ng Chinese Navy ang S211 ng PAF? dahil Recently, nagconduct ng military exercise ang Chinese Forces spratly at napabalita sa TV na nawawala ang S211 ng PAF. news blackout na kasi sa missing S211. pls update me about sa missing S211. Thanks


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just a product of hyperimaginative mind
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For the benefit of us OFWs, has there been any headway in terms of the search for the missing jet? News media here in the US are speculating either the it has been shot down or merely crashed due to some weather disturbance.
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^^

just a product of hyperimaginative mind

Oh really? Look at Epigone's ramblings for another example of a hyperactive imagination. hehehe... :lollol:
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PAF seeks US help for underwater search for missing jet

By Tarra Quismundo
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Last updated 08:21pm (Mla time) 12/14/2007


MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippine Air Force (PAF) is again seeking the help of the United States military to locate a trainer jet and two pilots missing off the Kalayaan Group of Islands for more than two weeks now.

PAF commander, Lieutenant General Horacio Tolentino, said Friday the Air Force has written the Hawaii-based US Pacific Command (PACOM), to continue searching for the missing S-211 jet and Captains Gavino Mercado Jr. and Bonifacio Soriano III.

“The search is continuous. We have asked the Pacific Command if they can help us and send the appropriate vessel for underwater search,” Tolentino said.

The search is now focusing on scouring the depth of the South China Sea as Tolentino suspects the plane may have crashed on a nosedive, plummeting straight into the deep.

He surmised the plane could not be found via aerial search because it was underwater.

Earlier, the US PACOM sent a P-3 Orion maritime patrol aircraft to conduct an aerial search of the site off the Kalayaan group where the jet last made contact.

The missing S-211, which had been deployed with another jet from Puerto Princesa to search for a fishing vessel reported to have capsized off the Kalayaan islands, suddenly lost contact with its tandem plane on the morning of November 26.

The Philippine Navy and the Philippine Coast Guard planes and vessels have joined search and rescue operations to locate the missing plane.


So the crew went down with the airplane, probably failed to eject?
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for conspiracy theorists out there, check out this post by bejo1968 in the other forum:



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The rumor might be true.

IF its true, then its possible that the 2 pilots, if survived the crash, may have been in a captive by the chinese. If that's the case, they will never be released or let go alive.

And people will know why.

However, if the chinese really shot down that jet then it may only be an accidental, no other motives. And that i believe they will never spark any war in spratley or the whole ASEAN might get involve. Then they would have dispatched a couple of their naval ships to 'help' us find those missing pilots, and they could always pretent to be helping us when its possible they could have retrieved the bodies already if the pilots didn't survived in the crash. Otherwise they maybe staying in a military labor camp forever.

Another one, if indeed an accidental shooting happened by the chinese missile corvettes or mig-29's that were patrolling the spratley islands during a military excercise or any routine military patrol, then both countries could possibly ended up in an agreement of hiding the truth from the public, signed by a third party, the United States. Because the philippine present government cannot afford to face another public outcry and wouldn't face anymore severe controversial like this because they are not interested in buying some new fighter aircrafts and other modern naval warships for us in the near future. Its possible too that only the 3 countries' military knows what really happened. So its possible that even GMA didn't know anything about this as this case may end up in another very sensitive classified document.

This is only my theories IF there was really an accidental shooting of our jet fighter by the chinese.

I hope im right so we can now force GMA to BUY us HITECH FIGHTERS, MISSILES, AND WARSHIPS! PARA MAPABILIS NA ANG MODERNIZATION NG AFP!

The US should send us some of these toys right away bcuz we are a Major Non-Nato Allied nation!

We'll see.

I really feel sorry about those 2 pilots. Punyetang gobyerno kasi itong meron tayo eh. :headbang:
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I doubt the US would get involved on our behalf in this regional flashpoint because it is not covered by the Mutual Defense Treaty as it is disputed territory.

Even if the missing aircraft or crew have yet to be found, this shows that the PAF is badly in need of:

A. An all-weather Maritime Patrol Aircraft along with Rescue helos

B. Added safety systems for its pilots

C. An aircraft to replace the S211 in the marginal air defense/control role.

This should be an eye-opener that we should have at least some focus on our territorial defense capabilities. This is another thing the country invest in for the PAF aside from Light Attack Helos and more ukay-ukay hueys and not VIP comforts like high end executive helos and business jets
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