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| PAF trainer jet missing; S211 lost to Typhoon Lando? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Nov 26 2007, 04:31 PM (3,662 Views) | |
| flipzi | Dec 7 2007, 10:41 AM Post #41 |
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Yes indeed. The Air Force is at fault as well. There are suits fitted with lights so even a night rescue is possible and there should be flare guns tucked in them. The best gadget though is a radio beacon so rescuers can home in on the downed pilot. As for now, the Air Force should consult PAG-ASA or any govt agency that has knowledge abaout oceanography. .. SO THEY CAN CALCULATE OR EXTIMATE AT WHAT DISTANCE AND DIRECTION THE PILOTS MAY HAVE DRIFTED AWAY. As to why the orange objects dissapeared may imply two things. 1) It was seen while there was enough sunlight that penetrated and illuminated the object, assuming it was beneath the surface. This can be confirmed by asking the pilots if there was enough sunlight when they spotted the object. If it is true, then the wreckage is just around 25 feet deep or so. The best time to do another visual sweep is at noontime or when there's enough sunlight. 2) It has drifted away. If this is the case, then most likely it is the parachute the pilots used. Also it could have been one of many life jackets from the ill-fated fishing vessel that these hapless pilots were trying to locate. BTW, if the Air Force cannot buy radio beacons for now, then they shuold at least equipt all pilots with flares and beacon lights, so that rescuers can be done easily even at night. |
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| oweng1980 | Dec 7 2007, 03:18 PM Post #42 |
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I think this is the time for our government to wake up and do something about our airforce.Im wondering why its taking too long to implement the modernization act,that some of our personnel have to ditch to the sea with aging planes before our government will act.Now we only have 4 AS 2.11 planes as guardians of Philippines airspace,are they not concerened about that?,i hope the two pilots are safe.Theres really too much corruption in our government ,that even budget for our defense capability are being "maliciously spent" in other things.How can we protect our economic assets if we dont have a strong armed forces ,Hope our government will realize the dire needs to our AFP to modernize.But still even lacking in equipment i sbelieve that our AFP is one of the best in this region in combat readiness,it only needs right equipments.Mabuhay ang AFP Mabuhay ang Pilipinas
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| flipzi | Dec 7 2007, 04:37 PM Post #43 |
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The reason that is becoming apparent is that they DO NOT WANT to modernize just yet because doing so will end all the wars. THAT WOULD RESULT TO LESS OPERATIONAL FUNDS THAT WILL BE INFUSED INTO THE DIFFERENT MILITARY UNITS. The players chooses to have more CASH AT HAND that they can manipulate. Worse, divert to other means like ELECTION CAMPAIGN FUNDS OR POCKETING IT. Check this; They dont want to spned teh big bukcs for buying military hardwares because they will not be able to get much form it ... COMPARED TO GETTING FRESH CASH THROUGH OPERATIONAL FUND ALLOCATIONS. One proof? They say they cant buy much needed choppers because it cost too much. They only infused a thin 5 billion pesos for the purchase. Were even getting 6 choppers that are considered weaklings in their category. But whe it comes to operatonal funds.... 20 BILLION seems like nothing. Approved agad! Get the point now? Then they would tell us these: http://pdff.sytes.net/index.php?showtopic=4784&st=120
Going back to the topic,.... ...the Air Force needs to prepare for the next event. Helping the pilots survive such accident is necessary. |
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| israeli | Dec 7 2007, 05:02 PM Post #44 |
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for conspiracy theorists out there, check out this post by bejo1968 in the other forum:
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| Frenzy | Dec 7 2007, 06:10 PM Post #45 |
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^^ just a product of hyperimaginative mind |
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| akimima | Dec 11 2007, 06:07 AM Post #46 |
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For the benefit of us OFWs, has there been any headway in terms of the search for the missing jet? News media here in the US are speculating either the it has been shot down or merely crashed due to some weather disturbance. |
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| MSantor | Dec 11 2007, 06:42 AM Post #47 |
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Oh really? Look at Epigone's ramblings for another example of a hyperactive imagination. hehehe...
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| Fallen Angel | Dec 16 2007, 08:33 AM Post #48 |
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So the crew went down with the airplane, probably failed to eject? |
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| spearhead | Dec 16 2007, 09:57 AM Post #49 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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The rumor might be true. IF its true, then its possible that the 2 pilots, if survived the crash, may have been in a captive by the chinese. If that's the case, they will never be released or let go alive. And people will know why. However, if the chinese really shot down that jet then it may only be an accidental, no other motives. And that i believe they will never spark any war in spratley or the whole ASEAN might get involve. Then they would have dispatched a couple of their naval ships to 'help' us find those missing pilots, and they could always pretent to be helping us when its possible they could have retrieved the bodies already if the pilots didn't survived in the crash. Otherwise they maybe staying in a military labor camp forever. Another one, if indeed an accidental shooting happened by the chinese missile corvettes or mig-29's that were patrolling the spratley islands during a military excercise or any routine military patrol, then both countries could possibly ended up in an agreement of hiding the truth from the public, signed by a third party, the United States. Because the philippine present government cannot afford to face another public outcry and wouldn't face anymore severe controversial like this because they are not interested in buying some new fighter aircrafts and other modern naval warships for us in the near future. Its possible too that only the 3 countries' military knows what really happened. So its possible that even GMA didn't know anything about this as this case may end up in another very sensitive classified document. This is only my theories IF there was really an accidental shooting of our jet fighter by the chinese. I hope im right so we can now force GMA to BUY us HITECH FIGHTERS, MISSILES, AND WARSHIPS! PARA MAPABILIS NA ANG MODERNIZATION NG AFP! The US should send us some of these toys right away bcuz we are a Major Non-Nato Allied nation! We'll see. I really feel sorry about those 2 pilots. Punyetang gobyerno kasi itong meron tayo eh.
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| Tora^2 | Dec 16 2007, 04:31 PM Post #50 |
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I doubt the US would get involved on our behalf in this regional flashpoint because it is not covered by the Mutual Defense Treaty as it is disputed territory. Even if the missing aircraft or crew have yet to be found, this shows that the PAF is badly in need of: A. An all-weather Maritime Patrol Aircraft along with Rescue helos B. Added safety systems for its pilots C. An aircraft to replace the S211 in the marginal air defense/control role. This should be an eye-opener that we should have at least some focus on our territorial defense capabilities. This is another thing the country invest in for the PAF aside from Light Attack Helos and more ukay-ukay hueys and not VIP comforts like high end executive helos and business jets |
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,that even budget for our defense capability are being "maliciously spent" in other things.How can we protect our economic assets if we dont have a strong armed forces
,Hope our government will realize the dire needs to our AFP to modernize.But still even lacking in equipment i sbelieve that our AFP is one of the best in this region in combat readiness,it only needs right equipments.Mabuhay ang AFP
Mabuhay ang Pilipinas



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