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| What is the PAF capable of?; non-domestic campaigns? | |
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| Elraen | Nov 1 2007, 09:15 PM Post #1 |
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We no longer have the Freedom Fighters to guard that 3% of sky that it could. So what can the PAF do these days? Let's say we went to war with another country? What can the hundreds of pilots do?
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| adrian_yamato | Nov 2 2007, 10:15 AM Post #2 |
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Doyou mean, Air MERCENARIES? pwede siguro
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"There's only one Government, one Armed Forces, one Contitution, & one Filipino people" -word of then Gen. Angelo T. Reyes during the Mindanao war against the MILF & Abu Sayaff- "The Army is like a cooked Spaggetti, You can't push it, you have to pull it after you" -Gen George S. Patton-
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| Elraen | Nov 2 2007, 03:00 PM Post #3 |
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I meant the freedom fighter jets. :) hehe... F5's i think? Hmmm... air mercenaries... like the anime show. What was that title? Awww... heck I forgot. |
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| seWer Rat | Nov 2 2007, 03:08 PM Post #4 |
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they keep honing their dogfighting skills by going up against USMC F/A-18 Hornets in their nimble S-211 trainer jets. Marine, Philippine pilots face off in mock combat CLARK AIR BASE, Republic of the Philippines (November 2, 2007) -- The skies over the Philippines were an open forum for the exchange of ideas Oct. 24 as Philippine Air Force and Marine pilots executed their skills in basic fighter maneuvers. The dog fight, as it is often called, involved Marine pilots from Marine Fighter Attack Squadron 312 and pilots from the Philippine Air Force's 5th Tactical Fighter Group, 7th Tactical Fighter Squadron. The training was part of exercise Talon Vision, an annual bi-lateral exercise to enhance the cooperative abilities of U.S. and Philippine forces to promote peace and stability in the region. The Marines, piloting their F/A-18 Hornets, flew a mock combat engagement with the Philippine pilots who flew the Aermacchi S-211 military trainer jet. The training involved two Marine pilots facing off against two PAF pilots. The pilots used training scenarios to evaluate their aircraft and their own piloting skills. "Today was one of the first times we have really conducted bi-lateral training with the Marines," said Philippine Air Force Maj. Manuel Demaclid, a flight examiner with the 5th Tactical Fighter Group. "We focused a lot on air-to-air combat and we also conducted bombing runs in Crow Valley. In addition to extra flying time, the dog fight with the Marines taught us how to fight and deal with different types of aircraft from different countries." Though the older and smaller S-211s were at a distinct disadvantage against the advanced platform of the F/A-18, it did not stop the PAF pilots from putting everything they had into the training. "Going up against the Marine F/A-18's with our own trainer jets, we learned to make do with what we have. Training against a harder opponent makes you a better pilot and vastly increases your skill level," said Demaclid. Though one of the primary purposes of the engagement was for Marine pilots to assist the PAF in developing their skills and procedures for air-to-air combat, the information exchange went both ways. "Anytime you go flying, you always learn something," said Marine Capt. Casey Dalton, a VMFA-312 pilot. "After conducting the air maneuvers, both groups of pilots spent time discussing each portion of the flight. We discussed everything from our own personal mindsets and maneuvers to where and when we placed our aircraft." Dalton said the briefs provided an excellent forum for each side to explain why they made the decisions they did in the air, and Dalton added, it was the tenacity of the PAF pilots that he found most impressive. "The Philippine pilots definitely know how to use their planes and how to push their aircraft to the limit," said Dalton. "The Philippine pilots taught us that if you're facing an opponent who has a superior aircraft, you have to really know your plane and your own skills to achieve victory." Demaclid said that he and his fellow Filipino pilots look forward to training with the Marines in the future. "Working with the Marines was a valuable, great experience, and I definitely look forward to working with them again," he said. Then, with a grin, he admitted he was a bit envious of the Hornet's capabilities. "I hope next year the Marines think about leaving the F/A-18's with us after they leave," he said. http://www.okinawa.usmc.mil/Public%20Affai...102-pilots.html |
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| adrian_yamato | Nov 2 2007, 04:05 PM Post #5 |
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AREA 88 It's a japanese anime about Air mercenaries watch it on youtube :thumb: |
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"There's only one Government, one Armed Forces, one Contitution, & one Filipino people" -word of then Gen. Angelo T. Reyes during the Mindanao war against the MILF & Abu Sayaff- "The Army is like a cooked Spaggetti, You can't push it, you have to pull it after you" -Gen George S. Patton-
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| akimima | Nov 3 2007, 12:38 AM Post #6 |
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Sewer Rat, That was a nice post you made. The joint flight/combat exercise will indeed boost the fighting capability of the PAF with what they have right now. Advantageous it may be in terms of training, there is a downside to this as well. INGIT! That terrible word, I am sure, is written all over the faces of the PAF pilots after what they have experienced in the joint combat exercise. Deep inside them, they know that the government has the assets to purchase at least a squadron of MRF. Not necessarily the F18 or any advanced US made planes but maybe something close to its fighting capabilities but at a cheaper price. Comrade Spearhead can attest to this. If they had at least the K-firs or earlier models of the F16, they would have had a chance to show more of their fighting capabilities. The S211, is after all , a jet trainer and not meant to do complicated dogfights or heavy bomb runs. Its like pitting a PBA player against a grade 6 varsity player. Really no match here. But at present, though the government has definitely funds, is concentrating on other matters of greater importance. I just hope and pray that the gradual improvement of the economy will continue and hopefully not far in the future the PAF can again retain its rightful seat as one of Asia's best airforce...same goes for the AFP. |
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| Marschall | Nov 4 2007, 10:36 AM Post #7 |
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What about investing in air-defense? BUK-M1 Tor |
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| didu | Nov 8 2007, 08:33 AM Post #8 |
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I guess the F18 pilots treated the PAF fighters gently. |
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| Elraen | Nov 12 2007, 11:08 AM Post #9 |
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ah yes! Area88. i can't seem to find episodes of it in youtube. only clips. |
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| Zero wing | Dec 12 2007, 07:15 PM Post #10 |
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Not a bad idea i told u since the Aircrap no i mean Airforce is almost dead demoted back to an army air corp they should be disband and transfer to the Army anyway if u ask anyone no matter how good a pilot is if hes machine is nothing more than a pic of junk its useless its like Per and the start of world war 2 Philippines and unlike todays air crop they were equipped with good kinds of planes unlike today whats left flying a S211? now what in hells name can an S211 can do in a dogfight without Missiles just a gun to intercept an Air threat now if they have Missiles that a fighting chance but the chances are slim now u can say its up to the pilots training and skills now u can't tell me that our pilot are good take care of anything no your laying to your self the airforce need plane and lots of it now if u tell me that we have no money disband it and transfer the planes to the Army and some to the Navy if still no money disband the Arm Forces and make it a Constabulary Disband the PNP too and still no money disband all Arm units and just pay Mercenaries just like Area 88 still don't work then don't have an arm force relay on the Big USA to defend us tiba sila na man talaga ng defenders ng bansa not the Arm forces of the PANis its said but its the truth kung wala tayo sino mga tatangol sa bayan ng maga kano no its us and only us until the government and the people and the chain of pigs este the chain of command the the hole AFP is useless to the Philippines kahiyahiya na tayo
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"No sacrifice is too great in the service of freedom." “As long as we are not willing to provide an adequate, suitable and capable defense for this country, we will be oppressed, demeaned and dishonored. We will be the stepping mat of every country in this region,”(Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile) “Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson) | |
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