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PAF as a COIN Air Force; How best it can earn every penny
Topic Started: Jun 24 2005, 06:07 AM (11,595 Views)
el_commandante
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Which third world country has a first rate air force?
I can't consider India because of her huge economy.
I think Pakistan is the only third world country with a first rate Air Force, F16, Mirage 2000, and the soon to be in service JF17.

Anyone else?
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here are some "third world" countries which seem to have a better Air Force than the Philippines:

* Colombia
* Pakistan
* Mexico
* Ecuador
* Chile
* Peru
* Venezuela
* Argentina
* Thailand


among these countries, Colombia is the perfect example of what the Philippines must do with its Air Force and its entire military establishment (except maybe for the fact that Colombia is receiving so much funding from the US, much of it going to the "War Against Illegal Drugs"). Just like the Philippines, Colombia is plagued with long-running guerilla war and at the same time, it also has to deal with the threat being posed to it by neighboring Venezuela. however, unlike the Philippines, Colombia has a potent military force equipped to deal with BOTH internal and external threats.
"To secure peace is to prepare for war." - Carl Von Clausewitz
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israeli
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some of the stuffs that the Fuerza Aerea Colombiana has:

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-- upgraded Mirage 5 fighters

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-- upgraded Kfir fighters

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-- upgraded OV-10s

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-- UH-60 Blackhawks, including UH-60L Arpia helicopter gunships

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-- BT-67 Turbo Dakotas, including AC-47 gunships

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-- UH-1H Huey IIs
"To secure peace is to prepare for war." - Carl Von Clausewitz
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israeli
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-- old OA-37B Dragonfly attack aircraft

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-- Boeing Business jet, the official presidential plane

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-- C-26B Metro light transport and reconnaissance planes

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-- CN-235 transport planes

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-- Mi-17-1V Hip helicopters

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-- C-212 Aviocar transport planes


how was that for a "third world" Air Force? :headbang:
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For now, I find following Latin American examples as most attractive.

The PAF's COIN and COIN-related airmobility capabilities should be designed for fighting a protracted long-term low-intensity campaign. This means the aircraft for this type of war should not only designed to be rugged and reliable it must be very cheap to operate so as not to be a huge burden on the budget. I'd rather not go for helos as the COIN workhorse transprt. STOL single-engine turboprops like PC6es have better range, speed and rough-field servicability.

As for it's airlift capabilities, the few C130s we have should only be delegated to heavylift and long-haul missions. They are to costly for us to operate on a regular basis. Most of the Herc's other missions would be given to medium lift 2-engine platforms. Ba67s would be a good idea if only we could get our hands on C47 airframes that are still in good condition. Otherwise CN235s are a better bet.

The LCA is to be our external defense workhorse of choice. They're cheaper than fighters and they can do as much. They can also be used for CAS if necessary. I'd go for the A50 or the L159. A reliable 2-engined MPA should also be procured like ATRs or CN235s. It goes without saying we should also upgrade our RADAR system. MRFs can supplement those LCAs in the future once our economy, political scene and internal security situation all stabilize

However, before all this, the PAF must take steps to further professionalize its ranks, get its ass out of politics and learn to be more wise in spending its budget
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el_commandante
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Yeah you are right Tora, the PAF should follow Latin America's example.
A a matter of fact, the Philippines is very much like the LAtin Americans
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here are some "third world" countries which seem to have a better Air Force than the Philippines:


include Bangladesh airforce bro if you are comparing to PH

in future we will have JF17/FC1 for sure

then the interest on Mig29 variants Su30 F10

the PH defence budget is more then enough to have 2 wings of F16
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oh yes comrade Chowking. i forgot to include Bangladesh in the list. my apologies. :armysmile:
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In my opinion, we should prioritize the needs of the Armed Forces, currently, there are a lot of internal security threats from insurgents, thus, the Air Force may need transport and attack helicopters to support ground operations by the Army. Once the threat has been neutralized then we may opt to acquire multi-role aircrafts, shifting the priority from internal to external security.
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jedi knight Posted on Jun 15 2006, 01:05 PM
  In my opinion, we should prioritize the needs of the Armed Forces, currently, there are a lot of internal security threats from insurgents, thus, the Air Force may need transport and attack helicopters to support ground operations by the Army. Once the threat has been neutralized then we may opt to acquire multi-role aircrafts, shifting the priority from internal to external security. 


Thats what Phase 1 of the Modernization was all about. Right now the Air Force can't help it self but to pray for the congress,senate, DND and DBM to approve and release their needed budget.

The civilian Community will play a bigger role in developing our ill fated air force institution. If everybody will contribute and gained much awareness how badly the PAF is right now. Im sure everybody wants to contribute.

But in this country of Full of Politics no wonder how the National security suffer a lot of dead locks. From information spoilage to misconception of the developing the needs of our country's defense system the whole AFP body will take a very harsh opposition from different sectors.

Right now what the Philippines want to see is stop the stupid political ambitions of this un ethical congressman and senators. Most of them is only making a their own names thru ground standing without even understanding their political party's real agenda's.Did you notice it guys that this bunch of politicians never stick to the party's real agenda and their stand on an issue?

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