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| PAF as a COIN Air Force; How best it can earn every penny | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Jun 24 2005, 06:07 AM (11,596 Views) | |
| possible | Jul 23 2005, 03:18 AM Post #21 |
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no dream, dude. it's a requirement
if the PAF's going to spend several million dollars worth of taxpayer's money to upgrade its capabilities, it might as well try to hit as many birds with one stone as possible :aberet: a lesson from the past, on the merits of thinking long-term: back in the late eighties, the PAF held a competition to select a new trainer aircraft, as everyone knows the winner was the SIAI-Marchetti S-211. this is the aircraft that the then-incumbent chose the S-211 over ![]() ![]()
my friends, i think the excerpted article speaks for itself. so draw your own conclusions while I go and now for something completely different: get a load of this. again, draw your own conclusions. |
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| Manokski | Jul 24 2005, 11:00 PM Post #22 |
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This has been discussed before - the Stavatti is a paper airplane. All they have to show so far is a nice site and nice graphics. They however were not the originator of the idea. Check out the Scaled Composites website http://www.scaled.com/projects/ares.html Note: Scaled composites is Burt Rutans Company, the designers and manufacturers of Spaceship one. ARES
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| possible | Jul 25 2005, 01:04 AM Post #23 |
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Manokski, didn't know that the SM-27 had been dissed here before, but it's certainly obvious that quote-unquote "Stavatti Military Aerospace" ain't exactly in the same league as Lockheed Martin: like I said, everyone is entitled to draw their own conclusions, including the most obvious one... :aberet: |
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| Austronesian | Jul 25 2005, 02:26 PM Post #24 |
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This weapon are obsolete. I won't waste my time and money for this. They are quite effective on the 60's and 70's mission tactics but the Philippine geostrategic shifts a lot to the cuurent strategic status. Example defeating the insurgent thru multi-bombing tactics but the public is highly reactive on the mishaps ( Private property, cilivians, too much firepower over Small Lethal weapons). We have this equivalent types during the heights of the PAF during 60's, but still not able to defeat the insurgency. This won't last in 2 minutes against a hypotetical Chinese aggression. Even the United States came to the rescue, It will be a permanent black eye in the history of the PAF in a humiliating defeat in just 2 mins or so. |
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| brassballs | Jul 25 2005, 02:51 PM Post #25 |
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![]() ![]() Super Tucano I think is an appropriate platform for COIN and coastal patrol.Since our PAF tech. crew are also very good in maintaining a prop driven plane. |
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| phichanad | Mar 12 2006, 01:34 PM Post #26 |
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AAM on a prop plane??/hmmm.....cheap alternative to replace F-5 for Air to Air missions.... hehehe wawa nman tlaga PAF.... |
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| Rubentador | Mar 12 2006, 09:59 PM Post #27 |
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expert says if we do not have a anti ship missile frigates our navy will continued to be ignored by ou enemies. so if we lack the supersonic tech in our inventory our airforce will be ignored also na alala nyo ba ung insidente sa spratly nung magkasalubong ung 2 fighter planes ng malaysia at isang eroplano ntin buti na lang nangyari kc iniignore lang tau ng malaysia. ung vietname nga eh tinitira tau ng anti airgun nila sa spratly isipin nyo na lang kung seryoso ung vietnam no, anti air missile ang dedeploy nila dun wawa tau. isipin nyo natuto ung mga milf na gumawa ng small anti air missile edi bagsak agad yang mga tora tora ntin. dapat multirole fighter na lang para tipid kya nga tinawag na multi eh... i suggest a Grippen MRF |
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| Tora^2 | Jun 13 2006, 06:34 PM Post #28 |
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When people look unto the USAF with its Stealth fighters and UAVs as the future of their country's airforce. Many of our neighbors build an airforce along those lines where 1st -line jets dominate the flightline. This is not true for many airforces of developing countries, us included, who do not have the budget to sustain such fleets and their bureacucracies (in the military and in the civil government) are saddled with corruption and politicking keep development at snail's pace. We will have to build an airforce that may not have cutting edge equipment but is highly mission-capable. Going New Zealand (abolishing combat units) seems to be the most viable option for the PAF to cut costs. However, we are not as remote as that British Commonwealth and we have China and an insurgency to worry. This thread is not only about low-cost combat aircraft and other systems but about ways the PAF still be highly capable despite low defense politics and having to serve a government laden with partisan politics and corruption |
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| pj_aranda | Jun 13 2006, 07:03 PM Post #29 |
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That's the right way for PAF to go. as I see it, it's so huge for a force that operates less than a hundred aircraft. Also its not what they have but it's about how they use their assets |
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| MSantor | Jun 14 2006, 08:38 AM Post #30 |
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If you're going to "go New Zealand" and still keep the current focus on COIN, then the PAF might as well buy more heavy lift transports- preferrably up to 20 Hercs- which could prove quite useful in shifting troops from one area of the archipelago to another, though this could be out of the reach of the current budget. Still, let's face it, having 3 Hercs for transport capability is pathetic considering the PAF used to have a regular shuttle service using Hercs between bases in the Northern and Southern parts of the islands. I don't put much faith in smaller transports and so-called "liasion craft"; the less variety in transport airframes, the better (no need to train technicians to service each kind of plane and the supply chain will simplified if one only needed to buy parts for one kind of plane). The Hercs would do wonders if there were more of them, especially since they themselves can also do other missions aside from transport, including maritime patrol as well as CAS, if they were armed like USAF Spectre gunships I mean. The current acquisition of hand-me-down Hueys from the US and other sources may also be a practical choice given realities of the RP. but perhaps having more modern multi-role helos such as British Lynxes, Canadian Griffons or even attack helicopters like Italian Mangustas or even Polish Hinds will help the PAF attain GMA's goal of wiping out the NPA and other insurgencies within ten years. Still, regardless of the current focus on COIN, I still think that letting down on external defense is a BAD idea, since Tora Tora pointed out himself that the Philippines is not located in an isolated place like New Zealand and the RP's many neighbors can also be potential adversaries. It would be a threat that a first-line MRF would be well suited to address. |
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