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PAF as a COIN Air Force; How best it can earn every penny
Topic Started: Jun 24 2005, 06:07 AM (11,587 Views)
adrian_yamato
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flipzi
Oct 27 2007, 05:51 PM
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Oct 27 2007, 09:29 AM
I doubt medium-lift helicopters like the NH90 are practical in the low-intensity nature of this conflict.

In this sort of conflict, our troops fight in small formations who can be carried or whose supplies can be carried by Hueys.

Looking at it in a different angle, the NH-90 being capable of carrying up to 14 troopers and having used 4-bladed main rotors, which makes it quieter, may fit our SOCOM requirements.

A single chopper can deploy 14 troopers per sortie.

No problem if there's no clearing because the troops can just rapel down, like most elite units.

youre correct Flipzi, NH-90 can do it, :thumb:
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I am well aware of those pluses of using just one Med lift chopper.

However, my rationale in preferring LUHs over Med Utility helos in SOF or combat ops would be that should a medium be shot down or crash during an op, there is a higher chance the whole 14-man SOF squad would be killed or be too badly hurt to finish the op.

If you have a 14-man squad split into 2 LUHs, should one helo be downed by enemy action or otherwise, the remaining 7 shooters can continue with the mission.

As for the multibladers, you have the Bell 412 or NOTAR MG-500s.
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Oct 29 2007, 10:43 PM
If you have a 14-man squad split into 2 LUHs, should one helo be downed by enemy action or otherwise, the remaining 7 shooters can continue with the mission.

Mission abort na rin yan.
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Jul 25 2005, 02:26 PM
israeli
Jun 26 2005, 08:01 PM
* A-4 Skyhawk

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* A-7 Corsair II

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* surplus German Alpha Jet As

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This weapon are obsolete. I won't waste my time and money for this. They are quite effective on the 60's and 70's mission tactics but the Philippine geostrategic shifts a lot to the cuurent strategic status. Example defeating the insurgent thru multi-bombing tactics but the public is highly reactive on the mishaps ( Private property, cilivians, too much firepower over Small Lethal weapons). We have this equivalent types during the heights of the PAF during 60's, but still not able to defeat the insurgency. This won't last in 2 minutes against a hypotetical Chinese aggression. Even the United States came to the rescue, It will be a permanent black eye in the history of the PAF in a humiliating defeat in just 2 mins or so.

Just how is the Alphajet that is still in service in European countries "obsolete"?

We're not even a 1st-world nation...
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For me, A-4M Skyhawks , then Upgrade them to A-4AR
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-word of then Gen. Angelo T. Reyes during the Mindanao war against the MILF & Abu Sayaff-

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May 29 2009, 08:58 PM
For me, A-4M Skyhawks , then Upgrade them to A-4AR

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For me, A-4M Skyhawks , then Upgrade them to A-4AR


ummmmm,i will not agree with that even though its upgraded,its still old that a-4 skyhawk was introduced in early 1970s thats the same age with our f-5A
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Jun 25 2005, 08:49 AM
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the PAF gets the ALX and retires or re-roles the SF-260 and the OV-10. the first phase of the PDR rolls on...midway into the second phase (10 years from now), the PAF needs a lead-in fighter trainer to replace the S-211 and it also requires MRFs. it looks at its budget and at what's available in the market

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T-50 Golden Eagle

the Golden Eagle has the aerodynamics of the F-16 and the engine of the Gripen. Lockheed-Martin designed the wings and FBW flight controls and is positioning it as an USAF T-38 replacement. the T-50 is an lead-in fighter trainer while the A-50 will have radar and full combat capability. clearly, this is the 21st century's version of the F-5. price: $15-22 million.

the competition

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EADS Mako

according to armada international, the Mako's claimed radar cross setion is one square meter at 44 kilometers, so it's a stealth aircraft. the engine will be the GE F414 from the Super Hornet, licence-built by Volvo, a derated version going into the High Energy Advanced Trainer version, while the Light Combat Aircraft gets the full-rated powerplant. try matching this with BVRAAMs, this is a serious MRF. my take on the slow development: the Europeans  do not want to kill sales of the Typhoon, they’re waiting for the F-35 to come online before unleashing the Mako LCA to undercut the F-35 pricewise, the Typhoon by then having received its full multirole capabilities to take on the F-35 at the high end. right now, the Typhoon is touted at $80+ million, the F-35 at $50-70 million, the Mako at $20-25 million. definitely worth waiting for.

what does the PAF address today: its SF-260s and OV-10s aching for replacement, or its almost non-existent jet fleet. choose with an eye to the future.

decisions, decisions... :pistols:

This T-50 Is very similar to the YAK-130 which is being produce by Italy and Russia!.. I would like to ask for specs information about this T-50 and A-50 please.. :ssalute:
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wow,that looks awesome,you can even kill bad dudes by using that pointy fuselage,awesome
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May 31 2009, 04:09 PM

This T-50 Is very similar to the YAK-130 which is being produce by Italy and Russia!.. I would like to ask for specs information about this T-50 and A-50 please.. :ssalute:



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LIGHTWEIGHT FIGHTER FOR PAF, post-2011 options

Light Combat Aircraft, The Future of the PAF

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I am very Ultra Cool!!! for the A-50 and T-50s the Philippine Air Force should also consider the T-50 as lif trainer aircraft and the A-50 as a combat fighter as well!!.. Am Cool SAVER 111...
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