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| PAF as a COIN Air Force; How best it can earn every penny | |
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| Dreamrider | Oct 22 2007, 09:48 AM Post #101 |
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adrian, if you care to browse the other threads - you will learn that the ST specs have been posted over and over again - so many times, I get dizzy everytime I see aircraft specs.
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| saver111 | Oct 22 2007, 02:37 PM Post #102 |
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For those who haven't had the time reading previous post, you could try using the search or find box below to see related threads. It's hard switching from one thread to another comparing notes for those following topics and learning from the topics discussed only to see related, re-posted and similar discussions. Some nice read: Air Strike Helos, Props or Jets?, What is the best CAS platform? OV-10 replacement or refurbishment NO AIR, NO FORCE: A WAKE-UP CALL |
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| adrian_yamato | Oct 22 2007, 05:03 PM Post #103 |
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okay, you said so. |
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"There's only one Government, one Armed Forces, one Contitution, & one Filipino people" -word of then Gen. Angelo T. Reyes during the Mindanao war against the MILF & Abu Sayaff- "The Army is like a cooked Spaggetti, You can't push it, you have to pull it after you" -Gen George S. Patton-
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| Tora^2 | Oct 25 2007, 10:39 AM Post #104 |
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Thank you Sir for the links!I was able to dig up these posts from one of my older threads which I had been looking for for a long time:
I'm not sure why the PAF never decided to to follow this idea. It will save money better spent for further capability upgrades or at the very least, to fund more troops, comm gear, night fighting systems, body armor or at the very least, larger clothing allowances to allow troops to purchase more decent boots. |
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| adrian_yamato | Oct 25 2007, 06:59 PM Post #105 |
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dreamrider, sorry if i make you dizzy with this one, But the truth is i was fasinated by the brazilian aircraft, I never let my eyes go with this machine, our Air Force can easily aquirre this $5M aircraft, This bird will be the thorn in the side of the insurgents in the country. And if the PAF get 15 or 20 of this, it should be the ALX series because it's already had machineguns on both sides & if you need additional cannons, it can fitted on any of it's 5 hardpoints. :thumb: |
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"There's only one Government, one Armed Forces, one Contitution, & one Filipino people" -word of then Gen. Angelo T. Reyes during the Mindanao war against the MILF & Abu Sayaff- "The Army is like a cooked Spaggetti, You can't push it, you have to pull it after you" -Gen George S. Patton-
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| tirad | Oct 25 2007, 09:58 PM Post #106 |
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Ya there have plenty of threads where the specs, pros/cons, etc of COIN aircraft have been posted and re-posted. Let's also consider the required numbers. Unlike tiny El Salvador or even (South) Vietnam, we are dealing with a more expansive area and often the rebs are in the remote(st) areas. Hoping to get an idea based on the area commands outside Manila... Nolcom covers four regions: the Ilocos, Cordilleras, Cagayan Valley, and Central Luzon. Solcom with Calabarzon (+Mindoro?) and Bicol. Westcom with Palawan and the Spratlys. Centcom spans the Visayas islands of Panay, Negros, Cebu, Bohol, Samar and Leyte. WestMincom is tasked with the restive areas in Sulu, Tawi-tawi, Basilan, Zambo peninsula and ARMM. EastMincom with the rest of Mindanao. It's thus easy to see how our already meager air assets (and even ground forces) can be spread too thinly. How many do we need of these mini-gunships or Super(-cited) Tucanos? Let's say a very modest 5 aircraft for each of Nol-, Sol-, Cent-, WestMin-, and EastMin- com would mean 25 total. Add 2 for Westcom plus a ready "surge" group of about 8 aircraft to reinforce areas with heavy fighting. Round it up with 5 for training and reserve. That's 40 at least. Same goes for our helicopters, which is why the PAF has always said they need at least a hundred Hueys flying. |
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| adrian_yamato | Oct 25 2007, 10:28 PM Post #107 |
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if our Goverment able to take the tucano ALX, ilan ang kailangan? to your estimation sir tirad, |
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"There's only one Government, one Armed Forces, one Contitution, & one Filipino people" -word of then Gen. Angelo T. Reyes during the Mindanao war against the MILF & Abu Sayaff- "The Army is like a cooked Spaggetti, You can't push it, you have to pull it after you" -Gen George S. Patton-
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| adrian_yamato | Oct 25 2007, 10:32 PM Post #108 |
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and add this to the line..............![]() NH-90 |
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"There's only one Government, one Armed Forces, one Contitution, & one Filipino people" -word of then Gen. Angelo T. Reyes during the Mindanao war against the MILF & Abu Sayaff- "The Army is like a cooked Spaggetti, You can't push it, you have to pull it after you" -Gen George S. Patton-
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| Tora^2 | Oct 27 2007, 09:29 AM Post #109 |
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I doubt medium-lift helicopters like the NH90 are practical in the low-intensity nature of this conflict. In this sort of conflict, our troops fight in small formations who can be carried or whose supplies can be carried by Hueys. One mission other air arms use med-lifts would be to haul mounted artillery pieces. However heavier types won't necessary since the PA is also equipped with 105MM OTO Melara pack howitzers which can be carried by hueys. Furthermore, the fighting is usually in remote rural areas namely in lightly forested areas or isolated Brangay Sitios where clearings or are too tightly built to accommodate large helos. If you ask me, we should stick to light utility helos for troop mobility and supplying outlying detachments. The PAF would still need medium-lift helos not for COIN and not just for conventional warfare. They are better used for disaster relief operations and developmental missions. |
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| flipzi | Oct 27 2007, 05:51 PM Post #110 |
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Looking at it in a different angle, the NH-90 being capable of carrying up to 14 troopers and having used 4-bladed main rotors, which makes it quieter, may fit our SOCOM requirements. A single chopper can deploy 14 troopers per sortie. No problem if there's no clearing because the troops can just rapel down, like most elite units. |
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Thank you Sir for the links!




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