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| Topic Started: May 11 2005, 09:36 PM (15,979 Views) | |
| Frenzy | May 11 2005, 09:36 PM Post #1 |
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this article says so... http://www.findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_..._17/ai_n9543886 ...The individual and collective training conducted by the SF teams assigned to the Philippine battalions on Basilan raised Philippine soldier confidence levels, because most culminated in "graduation" combat operations in the field. Despite the fact that Basilan had been serving as the "combat JRTC" for AFP battalions for more than 10 years, the Filipino soldiers and marines were not proficient jungle fighters.Tactically, they were no match for the guerrilla forces operating from the remote areas of Basilan. A typical firefight resulted in one AFP killed and three AFP wounded, with many casualties of friendly fire. |
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| seWer Rat | May 11 2005, 09:56 PM Post #2 |
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really?? how accurate is this article? 
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| YiYiYi | May 11 2005, 10:07 PM Post #3 |
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so much for calling yourselves the best jungle fighters in asia eh? well if friendly fire casualties is the measure.. that article comes from US special forces assessment 
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| saver111 | May 11 2005, 10:11 PM Post #4 |
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well the best superpower do boast they're number one with all their weapons and equipments but still they fail at times. WWI, WWII, Korea Vietnam, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq... lot's of friendly fire too! How about yours? |
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| City Hunter | May 12 2005, 02:36 PM Post #5 |
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That's obviously comes from one who never experienced what a real battle and soldiery is like. More likely a peon of those malcontents! Filipino soldiers have battled and survived countless foes despite lack of equipment, ammo and support. It is the heartless politicos and some leeches in officer's uniform that does more damage in the war against the insurgents. As for the records of friendly fire casualties, that cannot be helped as corrupt politicos and officers salted away the funds that may have been used to replace the old barrels of issued rifles and machineguns. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| City Hunter | May 12 2005, 02:43 PM Post #6 |
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And if we are to assess the American SF who operates here (duh, as if no one knows that they are taking part in the action) our local ordinary Army boys do better than them! Even with all their hi-tech goodies they can't seem to do well save in PR releases. More likely, this issued statement is another cover-up due to their f*&# ups. If they're so good how come they blundered in Somalia? And that operation in Panama and even in Iraq. And if any of these friendly fire casualties has any ounce of truth then we should've seen a dead American SF body amongst them. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| City Hunter | May 12 2005, 02:51 PM Post #7 |
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I happen to notice too that most who target the AFP rarely identifies themselves. They hide behind the mask of anonymity. Is this because they're just gutless peons of the communists? FYI, American SFs who do 'joint' training with the local AFP boys are really learning from us. We are the teachers and they're the students. They're hi-tech toys rarely works as advertised and even have to be taped to avoid falling off. They can't even do a basic SF tactic (that is to melt into the local populace) as they can't speak the dialect of the locale. And with their goodies taken away most of the newbie SFs are helpless. Their old SF boys on the other hand show the proper respect and are acknowledged as equals. And in the soldiery business that is more than enough. |
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Command is about authority, about appointment to a position. Effective leadership is different. It must be learned and practiced in order for it to rise to the level of art. You must love those you lead before you can be an effective leader. You can certainly command without that sense of commitment but you cannot lead without it; and without leadership, command is a hollow experience. .. a vacuum often filled with mistrust and ignorance. Gen. Eric K. Shinseki | |
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| mondo bizzaro | May 12 2005, 02:57 PM Post #8 |
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Hey Frenzy, Be advised. Don't be caught posting stuff that reflect negatively on the AFP or you'll end up in the wrong end of a feeding frenzy.  Look at me, I've got bite marks all over my body. Because obviously you haven't been into combat so you have no opinion on AFP performance. Unlike them. So unless you get yourself on the boondocks and get shot at......you get the picture.  |
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| flipzi | May 12 2005, 03:10 PM Post #9 |
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nyehehehe  nice one mondo. 
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| saver111 | May 12 2005, 03:24 PM Post #10 |
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Well guys, don't be so hard with our AFP as to be so sarcastic at times. They're doing their best with so little they have. Magkaroon nga ng funds na-kokorupt pa. Reactions to those sarcasm can't be avoided. Buti nga dito lang nilalabas. Paano na kung mag-wala at hinde na makapagpigil, like sa Oakwood, lalong maghihirap ang marami. Masakit makatanggap ng mga pagpuna lalo na sa mga taong hindi naranasan ang hirap ng pakikidigma. Mapapatawad mo pa nga and mga tulad ni YiYiYi na dayuhan siguro ng kung anong bansa na walang digmaan. Pero kung tulad sa isang Pilipino mangagaling, mas doble ang sama sa loob. We cannot compare what other countries have that our AFP don't have. And lastly, this is the Philippine Defense Forces Forum, their territory not the other. They are proud of what they do, let's not take it away from them. It's the only thing that's keep em going. :aberet: |
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