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PAF air controllers sent to Basilan
Topic Started: Aug 30 2007, 10:03 AM (1,412 Views)
adrian_yamato
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kailangan din siguro, ng radio operators from PAF, para at least may com sa air support to pinpoint targets, parang sa isang WW2 history na nabasa ko. It was in Europe, american soldiers unable to find german tanks hidden, and the only in finding those tigers & protect the US armored collumn, they where supported by P-47s & P-51Ds, ang problema: di alam kung saan yung target at mali yung tawag nung kanilang radioman dun sa mga planes, resulta: tumama nga sa target, kasama namang tinamaan yung friendlies, kaya nag-employ sila ng USAAF pilots as forward air controller sa ground para magbigay ng exact location at posistion ng kalaban. by the way, most of those flyboy where on board shermans. malay natin...baka effectiveyon at since grounded pa rin yung mga Defenders.. :armyneutral:
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Sep 1 2007, 12:54 AM
Then in considering Adroth's perception, it's more of a device malfunction than skills training, though some say it was really a miscommunication or so.

Ok. Let's all hope that it isn't really a deterioration in training but a mere device failure.

Probably, the Tipo-Tipo incident will remind the military not to ignore that concern.

We do not know if it was just a device malfunction either.

It just might also be a problem of the people involved in the incident -- and is, therefore not a reflection of the state of training with the AFP as a whole.

My point is, let us not be so hasty and scathing in our criticsm -- especially amongst those of us who are merely arm chair generals. There's enough of that going on in the media and in congress.

Let us be objective in our analysis, stick to the available facts, and never assume. The latter would be a dis-service to the people who join fora like PDFF to learn the truth about the AFP, as an alternative to the junk that they get in the media.

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Looking at my Father's notes in Basic Seaman Course which includes MOS. I did not see any MOS pertaining to provide NGFS.

The nearest MOS is the Radioman (RM - Communication), Gunner's Mate (GM - Fire Support). Having the FAC encompasses the basics - communication, fire support delivery and navigation (coordinates)

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adroth
Sep 2 2007, 12:20 AM
flipzi
Sep 1 2007, 12:54 AM
Then in considering Adroth's perception, it's more of a device malfunction than skills training, though some say it was really a miscommunication or so.

Ok. Let's all hope that it isn't really a deterioration in training but a mere device failure.

Probably, the Tipo-Tipo incident will remind the military not to ignore that concern.

We do not know if it was just a device malfunction either.

It just might also be a problem of the people involved in the incident -- and is, therefore not a reflection of the state of training with the AFP as a whole.

My point is, let us not be so hasty and scathing in our criticsm -- especially amongst those of us who are merely arm chair generals. There's enough of that going on in the media and in congress.

Let us be objective in our analysis, stick to the available facts, and never assume. The latter would be a dis-service to the people who join fora like PDFF to learn the truth about the AFP, as an alternative to the junk that they get in the media.

Peace.

Good point.

Nonetheless, let us not jump into comclusion that we are just criticizing them for fun as well.

THE MILITARY MUST REALIZE THAT THE CRITICISMS ARE NEEDED TO IDENTIFY LOOPHOLES OR LAPSES IN THE SYSTEM, SO THAT THEY MAY BE COMPELLED TO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT ONCE IDENTIFIED.

Let's not hope their ego will not turn them into stubborn rusty soldiers.

In the first place, there have been a lot of blunders that killed many of our soldiers anyway.

Also, there was a problem with communication. Either, it was material or the process. That's what the men in uniform and those who make the decisions should look into in order to prevent the same blunder from happeniong again.

The forum is here to help them identify the problems so they (or the people on top who make the decisions) maybe compelled to fix it. :thumb:
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Aug 30 2007, 10:03 AM
http://newsinfo.inquirer.net/breakingnews/...rticle_id=85439

Air Force controllers thrown into Basilan operations

By Tarra Quismundo
Inquirer
Last updated 09:52pm (Mla time) 08/29/2007

MANILA, Philippines -- To avoid a repeat of the July 10 Basilan debacle blamed on the lack of air support, the Philippine Air Force is sending its highly trained officers to the battlefield to boost the military campaign against Moro rebels by enhancing air-to-ground coordination during combat operations.

PAF chief Lieutenant General Horacio Tolentino told the Philippine Daily Inquirer that the Air Force would deploy a “sufficient number” of highly trained airmen to Basilan to serve as ground guides for pilots providing air support to the military offensive.

Tolentino declined to reveal further details for security reasons.

“We will be sending Air Force officers and enlisted personnel to be embedded with the ground troops. They will work as forward air controllers on the ground, directing our pilots to the target,” Tolentino said.

Forward air controllers are tasked to guide pilots to their target by accurately giving the location of the enemy. Usually, however, pilot guidance is provided also from the air by aircraft buddied with assault planes and choppers.

Feedback from those on the ground, usually from the Army and the Marines, is also crucial for target confirmation as required under the military’s rules of engagement.

This time, PAF has decided to put its men on the ground to do the direction from there.

“Tactically, it will help because these officers can give positive information on the target immediately,” said Tolentino, a helicopter pilot who led air support and resupply missions during the Mindanao battles in the mid-70s.

It was a tactic rarely done but deemed worth employing this time as a lapse in air-to-ground coordination was among the suspected reasons for the pull-back of air support during crucial operations in Basilan on July 10. Fourteen Marines were killed that day.

Tolentino had said pilots called to drop munitions on enemy territory that day made some contact with troops on the ground, but communication was fuzzy. Gunships decided to turn back as they could not spot the target clearly, lacking proper guidance from the ground.

Friendly troops were also too close to the enemy that dropping bombs without target confirmation was too risky.

On top of expert air control, PAF men on the ground will also help operation commanders assess the efficiency of air support, the official said.

E DAPAT NAMAN GINAWA NA ETO NUON PA!! WHY ONLY NOW?
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This was noticed during the aftermath of MILF war in 2000 thru this article but how come it was not fully practised?

http://www.philippinemarinecorps.mil.ph/c6_FO.html

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