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PAF: PAF among the weakest in Asean
Topic Started: Jun 20 2007, 03:25 AM (4,275 Views)
jvelarde
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While yes, it would be nice if we did cut military spending in favor of more important expenditures like healthcare, food security and quality education.
Unfortunately, hunger increased according to recent polls, our government hospitals below par and part of my salary still goes to an HMO to supplement my Philhealth and we have a perennial shortage of classrooms, textbooks (which are laden with errors) and teachers.

And most of our GNP goes into Pork Barrel, Debt Servicing and covert political expenses


Tora,

I too feel your pain of paying for an HMO. While I agree with most of what you say above, what really drains the coffers of the GNP is that we have too many government employees under too many government organizations.

Debt servicing might constitute up to 1/3 of the national budget but this is for both domestic and foreign debt. Inutang naman natin ang mga utang na ito sa hindi ito puede matakasan.

We have so many gov't employees who do nothing. Most of the budget of the Dept. of Tourism goes to the salaries of its employees and not promoting the Phils. as a tourist destination. There have been times that the actual budget to really promote tourism has been close to zero.

We have a National Grains Authority that does nothing that the private sector can't do much more efficiently without any taxpayers money being wasted. Up to now, we are still a net rice importer thanks to the Dept. of Agriculture.

I don't even know what the National Food Authority does in this country. When was the last time you bought food from the NFA?

We even have a gov't entity to promote the dairy industry in this tropical country where cows are not native to. Go to any grocery and check where your milk comes from. Hint: It's not from this country.

Gawad Kalinga can build more houses with far less money than the National Housing Authority.

I can go on and on. That is why we all pay this 12% VAT for every item you purchase. It is to support a huge pig called the government bureaucracy.

To her credit, Pres. GMA has been trying to reduce the headcount of the national government but she can only do so much with civil service rules protecting gov't jobs.
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warshak
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Why don't we convince the ASEAN (Brunei Darussalam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand & Vietnam) organization to initiate a program identical to the JSF program initiated by the US. Its development was sponsored by 10 countries in various levels...

Level 1
United Kingdom

Level 2
Italy & Netherlands

Level 3
Canada, Australia, Turkey, Israel, Norway, Denmark & Singapore

Since an MRF will rule out more or less Singapore why not an attack chopper or Orbiting Attack Aircraft System like the AC-130 Spectre.

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warshak
Jul 11 2007, 12:47 AM
Why don't we convince the ASEAN (Brunei Darussalam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand & Vietnam) organization to initiate a program identical to the JSF program initiated by the US. Its development was sponsored by 10 countries in various levels...

Level 1
United Kingdom

Level 2
Italy & Netherlands

Level 3
Canada, Australia, Turkey, Israel, Norway, Denmark & Singapore

Since an MRF will rule out more or less Singapore why not an attack chopper or Orbiting Attack Aircraft System like the AC-130 Spectre.

:specool:

ASEAN is NOT a military alliance on the level that SEATO used to be or that NATO continues be.

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warshak
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the program doesn't need to be under the ASEAN umbrella. And it doesn't need a military alliance to initiate such program. Singapore and Australia are not members of NATO but they are part of the JSF program, what i'm trying to say here, is that we extend the invitation to ASEAN members because these nations has close ties with us. I may be wrong but I believe that the Air Chiefs Conference on its 4th year is an evidence of this close-ties. But it doesn't necessarily mean that we limit our options with the ASEAN countries instead we could also invite countries that has needs similar to us, like Sri Lanka, and Colombia to jointly develop a COIN aircraft with us...
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Jul 10 2007, 02:13 AM
While yes, it would be nice if we did cut military spending in favor of more important expenditures like healthcare, food security and quality education.
Unfortunately, hunger increased according to recent polls, our government hospitals below par and part of my salary still goes to an HMO to supplement my Philhealth and we have a perennial shortage of classrooms, textbooks (which are laden with errors) and teachers.

And most of our GNP goes into Pork Barrel, Debt Servicing and covert political expenses

We're far better off than communist countries, Sir Tora. Our transportation system is efficient. Almost a third of our citizens can afford private transportation. Philippine capitalist democracy bars any alternative and the best thing for us to do is to improve the economy and put a stop on communist insurgency which has been sapping our hard-earned progress and development. In Vietnam and in China, 98 percent of the people are on bicycles, hindering economic growth and development. The only sector which is as improved as ours is the agricultural sector. All things considered, we're a utopia. Why would Vietnamese brave shark infested waters and risk their lives just to reach the Bataan refuggee zone?

LOL. China now has evolve. It now has more automobile users than the US.
As for Vietnam. They are attracting more foreign investments than us. One day
we will wake up finding Vietnam richer than us.
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jvelarde
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Jul 11 2007, 02:09 AM
warshak
Jul 11 2007, 12:47 AM
Why don't we convince the ASEAN (Brunei Darussalam, Cambodia, Indonesia, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Philippines, Singapore, Thailand & Vietnam) organization to initiate a program identical to the JSF program initiated by the US.  Its development was sponsored by 10 countries in various levels...

Level 1
United Kingdom

Level 2
Italy & Netherlands

Level 3
Canada, Australia, Turkey, Israel, Norway, Denmark & Singapore

Since an MRF will rule out more or less Singapore why not an attack chopper or Orbiting Attack Aircraft System like the AC-130 Spectre.

:specool:

ASEAN is NOT a military alliance on the level that SEATO used to be or that NATO continues be.

Warshak,


With the exception of Singapore, the countries of ASEAN are still 3rd-world, agricultural countries. Even Thailand and Malaysia are still considered developing countries.

ASEAN countries neither have the industrial base nor the economic resources for a program like the JSF or even a "lower-tech" plane like the AC-130 Spectre. Notice that the JSF partners are first-world countries with the exception of Turkey and Singapore.

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But it doesn't necessarily mean that we limit our options with the ASEAN countries instead we could also invite countries that has needs similar to us, like Sri Lanka, and Colombia to jointly develop a COIN aircraft with us...


I agree 100% with you on this. Our air force needs more COIN aircraft that are easy to maintain, easy to repair, relatively low-tech and cheap to operate. Unfortunately, the US and European aircraft makers no longer make turboprop COIN aircraft like our beloved OV-10 Bronco.

Partnering with countries that still face insurgencies will make sense though only by doing a bulk purchase for a COIN turbo prop from an established aircraft maker. The Brazilian Super Tocano is a good candidate I can think of.
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warshak
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But the problem still lies with PAF or even in AFP :sniper: ang bagal gumalaw ng bureaucracy lagi kailangang meron lagay para gumalaw. Kung wala sanang ganito hindi aabot sa ganitong sitwasyon ang PAF kase innovative naman ang mga pinoy. Sino ba ang makapag iisip na palitan ng mahjong tile ang nasirang pindutan sa flight stick ng MD500 natin? (napanood ko sa SAKSI).
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guys everybody knows that the PAF is only 100% air now an like the 50's up to the 80's and the early 90's now we lower than an army air corp even Bangladesh as a better arm force than as and were ricer than them i don't even know that this is even debatable i think we need to start building up now we are the only ones in the region without a good arm force that all not just the PAF :patrioticpinoy:
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We have those guys in the Senate to blame. They kicked out the US bases.
Being a very staunch ally of Uncle Sam, we could have receive old F-16s
in form of military defence aid. :devilwink:
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im not surprised
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