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PAF: PAF among the weakest in Asean
Topic Started: Jun 20 2007, 03:25 AM (4,276 Views)
kca90
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jvelarde
Jul 5 2007, 04:15 PM
Over and above the twin insurgencies we still have today, the main reason why the PAF is among the weakest in the ASEAN is because of ECONOMICS.  Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia attracted and continue to attract the bulk of the foreign investments in the region.  The Philippines was and continues to get only a tiny slice of the action.

A lot of our so-called nationalists (leftists) continue to decry foreign investments.  The KMU alone is responsible for driving away a lot of what few foreign investors that come our way.

Maybe????? What can you say about Sri Lanka, Burma, Bangladesh, North Korea
and Etc. Since all the above countries are poorer than us. Yet their military is
stronger than ours. :headbang:
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I would say it's not merely Economics but misplaced priorities set by the Defense establishment and mismanagement.

Among the major services, first command of resources is given to the PA and PMC as I have just mentioned as emphasis is given on searching, engaging and neutralizing insurgents in the actual AO where the NPA and other insurgents operate.

There is also a problem of managing resources. I'm not merely talking about corruption in the ranks as seen in the series of articles by Luz Rimban and Yvonne Chua on problems affecting the AFP Modernization Program. For instance, they maintain rosters of personnel too large that they no longer have enough funds for the maintenance and acquisiton of equipment as wrell as training.
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kca90
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Jul 5 2007, 06:48 PM
I would say it's not merely Economics but misplaced priorities set by the Defense establishment and mismanagement.

Among the major services, first command of resources is given to the PA and PMC as I have just mentioned as emphasis is given on searching, engaging and neutralizing insurgents in the actual AO where the NPA and other insurgents operate.

There is also a problem of managing resources. I'm not merely talking about corruption in the ranks as seen in the series of articles by Luz Rimban and Yvonne Chua on problems affecting the AFP Modernization Program. For instance, they maintain rosters of personnel too large that they no longer have enough funds for the maintenance and acquisiton of equipment as wrell as training.

I Agree.
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well thats no mystery ? :patrioticpinoy:
"No sacrifice is too great in the service of freedom."

“As long as we are not willing to provide an adequate, suitable and capable defense for this country, we will be oppressed, demeaned and dishonored. We will be the stepping mat of every country in this region,”(Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile)

“Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson)
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kca90
Jul 5 2007, 06:14 PM
jvelarde
Jul 5 2007, 04:15 PM
Over and above the twin insurgencies we still have today, the main reason why the PAF is among the weakest in the ASEAN is because of ECONOMICS.  Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia attracted and continue to attract the bulk of the foreign investments in the region.  The Philippines was and continues to get only a tiny slice of the action.

A lot of our so-called nationalists (leftists) continue to decry foreign investments.  The KMU alone is responsible for driving away a lot of what few foreign investors that come our way.

Maybe????? What can you say about Sri Lanka, Burma, Bangladesh, North Korea
and Etc. Since all the above countries are poorer than us. Yet their military is
stronger than ours. :headbang:

THAT'S WHY THEY ARE POORER THAN US.

Those poor country that concentrate in purchasing weapons beyond their financial resources are depriving their own citizen the basic human needs or services.

Mostly member in this forum wants to see a modernize and capable PHILIPPINE AIR FORCE having the right equipment in order for the outsider not to challenge our Territorial Integrity,

BUT not to the extent the people in our country will starve to death because of WEAPONS buying like North Korea, Burma, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka etc, etc.

Proper budget allocation for our defense is needed without affecting the basic needs and services of the whole population.

Cheers :armycheers:
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Edwin,

You should remove India from the list of countries you put as being poorer than the RP. It may have a HUGE population, but it does have the defense budget to be able to afford the massive military-industrial complex that supports Nuclear weapons as well as its huge conventional military, including the aircraft carrier INS Viraat.

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Don't make assumptions about India- it is a NUCLEAR SUPERPOWER in its own right, in spite of the social and economic inequalities that permeate Indian society. However the "Tiger" (India) is making progress and is catching to the "Dragon" (China), if I can recall the title/catch line on the front page of an issue of the Far Eastern Economic Review


PS- You never say "more poorer" in proper English since the ending "er" is already a superlative and thus you are being redundant!!!!


AYYY BUHAYYY.....


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We may be the weakest Air Force in Asia when it comes to equipment but our pilots are among the best the world could offer when it come to CAS, COIN, Bombing, SAR and CSAR. notwithstanding the good or maybe the best maintenance crews(imagine keeping decades old plane flying).

And if one of the Air Force sergeant in my ROTC class before was not blowing hot air on me; he said that USA pilots on exercise with our pilots has to win yet. Of course he said that these exercises is mainly ACM.

Another thing our air force is one of the last air force in the world to have many of its chopper pilots that has experience on hot LZ Infiltration and Extraction.

While the other countries are all on the "what-if" scenarios when it comes to training, our pilots are trained by those who had come under fire and survived.

So we may be the weakest but we know how to use our equipments well. Give our air force good equipment and you'll not lose sleep whether they are using their equipments well, the other asian air forces? Well they have to see yet what it feels to be under fire.
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Jul 9 2007, 06:34 AM
Edwin,

You should remove India from the list of countries you put as being poorer than the RP. It may have a HUGE population, but it does have the defense budget to be able to afford the massive military-industrial complex that supports Nuclear weapons as well as its huge conventional military, including the aircraft carrier INS Viraat.

:headbang:


Don't make assumptions about India- it is a NUCLEAR SUPERPOWER in its own right, in spite of the social and economic inequalities that permeate Indian society. However the "Tiger" (India) is making progress and is catching to the "Dragon" (China), if I can recall the title/catch line on the front page of an issue of the Far Eastern Economic Review


PS- You never say "more poorer" in proper English since the ending "er" is already a superlative and thus you are being redundant!!!!


AYYY BUHAYYY.....

OKAY, My post is already edited.

Yes, I believe the FACT that India Military Power is very strong and Nuclear SuperPower in its own right making the outside observer say WOW,

but on the other side of the coin tells that Majority of its people are suffering because the financial budget is mainly focus In Massive military industrial complex of India.

IN spite of what India had achieved to their Defense system, you will be surprise to see that many Indians are sleeping on the road of Delhi simply because they are homeless, jobless and dying of hunger.

You cannot just walk a straight line on Delhi street because you need to avoid the road fully scattered with S**T.

Anyway, thanks for the correction. Cheers :armycheers:
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While yes, it would be nice if we did cut military spending in favor of more important expenditures like healthcare, food security and quality education.
Unfortunately, hunger increased according to recent polls, our government hospitals below par and part of my salary still goes to an HMO to supplement my Philhealth and we have a perennial shortage of classrooms, textbooks (which are laden with errors) and teachers.

And most of our GNP goes into Pork Barrel, Debt Servicing and covert political expenses
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Jul 10 2007, 02:13 AM
While yes, it would be nice if we did cut military spending in favor of more important expenditures like healthcare, food security and quality education.
Unfortunately, hunger increased according to recent polls, our government hospitals below par and part of my salary still goes to an HMO to supplement my Philhealth and we have a perennial shortage of classrooms, textbooks (which are laden with errors) and teachers.

And most of our GNP goes into Pork Barrel, Debt Servicing and covert political expenses

We're far better off than communist countries, Sir Tora. Our transportation system is efficient. Almost a third of our citizens can afford private transportation. Philippine capitalist democracy bars any alternative and the best thing for us to do is to improve the economy and put a stop on communist insurgency which has been sapping our hard-earned progress and development. In Vietnam and in China, 98 percent of the people are on bicycles, hindering economic growth and development. The only sector which is as improved as ours is the agricultural sector. All things considered, we're a utopia. Why would Vietnamese brave shark infested waters and risk their lives just to reach the Bataan refuggee zone?
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