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PAF: PAF among the weakest in Asean
Topic Started: Jun 20 2007, 03:25 AM (4,277 Views)
Tora^2
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While its usefulness to the AFP is not in question, the issue that the PAF has is that it cannot stand alone as a major service since its roles are largely that of being subservient to the needs of ther Army.

I am wondering why the PAF is still called the PAF and not the Philippine Army Air Corps.

The PAF doesn't have a role that it can have all to itself like defending our airspace. Unfortunately our long-running COIN campaigns is what gives the Army the clout it has since they are the ones who bear the brunt of the fighting and gain most of the credit.
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your right tora^2
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Jun 27 2007, 09:50 PM
Not just Burma a lot of poor countries surpassing the philippine airforce with equipment now, look Afghanistan they are now operating a squadron of L-159's ALCA (advance light combat aircraft ) and couple of Hinds.
The Philippines are the weakest in the region because your government always put your country's defense fourth or last when they past there yearly budget. Philippine government need to wake up and look how long you been fighting rebels. The philippine military have too many manpower but lack of equipment.

The military expenditures will always remain the last since the Philippines is primarily concentrating in improving its economy, unless a serious threat is inevitable. One of the best ways to combat rebels and other insurgents is by improving the economy.

That's the primary reason why there are rebels is because they don't get what is due to them like a decent livelihood, education, medical attention, the list goes on. If you have been monitoring the foreign exchange lately the peso=dollar value has dropped due to an improving economy.

Simple equation where good economy = more money. That's only the time where we can discuss how to upgrade the PAF, PN and AFP as a whole but for now all of us need to be content with what the AFP acquires. The recent announcement by the PAF that it will acquire brand new helos could be a sign of an improving economy. Hopefully, we can soon read about the PAF buying brand new MRF's more transport crafts, etc.
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Jun 28 2007, 03:53 AM
I am wondering why the PAF is still called the PAF and not the Philippine Army Air Corps.

Nice one ... I think this idea should set the mindset of the people in the right direction ne?
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Jun 24 2007, 11:12 AM
The PAF may be the weakest in the region terms of material assets like combat aircraft. However, it is the wealthiest in terms of combat experience. Its Huey and attack pilots have flown more hours in support of the Army, Marines and Police fighting the NPA, MNLF MILF and ASG not to mention mutinous troops than probably the whole PVNAF throughout the whole Vietnam war.

Tora,

Lots of Air Forces- such as Colombia and Sri Lanka have a lot of experience with COIN and CAS. As for the PAF, all that "COIN Experience" against a low-tech enemy such as the NPA and the MNLF/MILF/ASG in the South will count for NOTHING in the future if the AFP has to face a MORE ADVANCED, or "HIGH-TECH" enemy (compared to the PAF) such as the Chinese PLAAF.

:armyroleyes:

That's why the PAF needs MRFs pronto or even just a good launching platform, the ROK's AT50, for AAMs!

Pero wala naman mangyayari- puro salita lang yung gobierno ng RP.
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Jun 20 2007, 03:25 AM
Philippine Air Force among the weakest in Asean -- PAF
By Tarra Quismundo
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Last updated 11:33pm (Mla time) 06/19/2007


MANILA, Philippines -- The Philippine Air Force has admitted that it is one of the weakest air forces in Southeast Asia but the country’s innate skills in cooperation makes up for its lack of technological and logistical power.

“Honestly, we are among the weakest air forces this time in Southeast Asia, and they [Asean air chiefs] know it. That's not a secret,” Air Force Lieutenant General Horacio Tolentino said on Tuesday when interviewed by reporters about next month’s meeting of air chiefs of the Association of Southeast Asian Nations (Asean).


Because they (AFP/POLITICS) never meant to accomplish anything.

We have the weakest Air Force among ASEAN countries because our Top OFFICIALS from Goverment to Military always play the game of being weak.

It is base largely on the way they think about our Defense resulting of having a Weak Air Force.

There are so many reasons why something cannot work out, instead of giving all the positive reason why we need to improve and Modernize our Air Force.
Modernization process for PAF is long time overdue but until now there is no result. cheers.
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Jul 4 2007, 12:40 AM
Tora,

Lots of Air Forces- such as Colombia and Sri Lanka have a lot of experience with COIN and CAS. As for the PAF, all that "COIN Experience" against a low-tech enemy such as the NPA and the MNLF/MILF/ASG in the South will count for NOTHING in the future if the AFP has to face a MORE ADVANCED, or "HIGH-TECH" enemy (compared to the PAF) such as the Chinese PLAAF.

:armyroleyes:

That's why the PAF needs MRFs pronto or even just a good launching platform, the ROK's AT50, for AAMs!

Pero wala naman mangyayari- puro salita lang yung gobierno ng RP.

PLAAF? Are you kidding? Forget about comparing PAF to PLAAF. PLAAF is one
of the strongest in Asia. Even Bangladesh has a better
airforce than PAF. 12 J-7BG delivered to them last year. What can PAF do to
counter them? :armycry:
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The reason why the PAF's capabilities withered over the decades since its heyday were the attrition costs of the long-running insurgency against the NPA and Muslim Mindadanao-based separatist/extremist groups.

It also does not help that these campaigns were fought using doctrines that placed massive emphasis on infantry and relegated the PN (except the PMC)and PAF to supporting roles. This helped assert the dominance of the Philippine Army and PMC over the other services and therefore gained first command over resources and strategy.

Bulk of the AFP's external defense role is left to the PN however, they are not given sufficient resources for this role. Malacanang seems to follow a strategy, not based on deterrence, but on a web of bilateral agreements and treaties with allies namely the US, Australia and ASEAN neighbors.

Besides, it sees transnational Islamic extremist terrorist group Al Qaeda as its leading external threat. It seems it would rather not see the People's Republic of China as a threat so as not to antagonize another major source of foreign investment, which bring in foreign capital, jobs, revenue, an improved economy and consequentially, votes to help keep them in power.
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The reason why the PAF's capabilities withered over the decades since its heyday were the attrition costs of the long-running insurgency against the NPA and Muslim Mindadanao-based separatist/extremist groups.

It also does not help that these campaigns were fought using doctrines that placed massive emphasis on infantry and relegated the PN (except the PMC)and PAF to supporting roles. This  helped assert the dominance of the Philippine Army and PMC over the other services and therefore gained first command over resources and strategy. 

Bulk of the AFP's external defense role is left to the PN however, they are not given sufficient resources for this role. Malacanang seems to follow a strategy, not based on deterrence,  but on a web of bilateral agreements and  treaties with  allies namely the US, Australia and ASEAN neighbors.

Besides, it sees transnational Islamic extremist terrorist group Al Qaeda as its leading external threat. It seems it would rather not see the People's Republic of China as a threat so as not to antagonize another major source of foreign investment, which bring in foreign capital, jobs, revenue, an improved economy and consequentially, votes to help keep them in power.

This makes sense. :thumb:
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Over and above the twin insurgencies we still have today, the main reason why the PAF is among the weakest in the ASEAN is because of ECONOMICS. Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand and Malaysia attracted and continue to attract the bulk of the foreign investments in the region. The Philippines was and continues to get only a tiny slice of the action.

A lot of our so-called nationalists (leftists) continue to decry foreign investments. The KMU alone is responsible for driving away a lot of what few foreign investors that come our way.
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