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| jvelarde | Jun 24 2007, 11:59 AM Post #31 |
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As a Filipino citizen, Trillanes is free to run as a senator and he won fair and square. I just hope that he focuses his energy on reforming the AFP, the institution he has spent most of his adult life with. If he can walk the walk, this will bode well for our military. I know he has been itching to train his guns (figuratively) on the President but the country is not going to benefit if we get into another constitutional crisis in the form of another impeachment proceeding. Even if they manage to impeach GMA, Noli de Castro will automatically become the next president. Anyways, GMA has only three years left in her presidency. She is certainly no political angel but we have had even much worse presidents like Marcos and Estrada. |
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| spellspinner | Jun 24 2007, 01:10 PM Post #32 |
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No one is questioning Sen. Trillanes' right to run nor is anyone questioning the manner in which he won. It was simply being pointed out that his position at Oakwood is not consistent with his participation in the electoral process. This becomes a concern because the public distrust with politicians stems from the fact that they (politicians) take inconsistent positions in accordance with their self-interests. Now it is too early to tell if Sen. Trillanes will be a traditional politician. It would be incredibly diappointing if he does so because he won on the wings of public desperation, as Sir Topp pointed out.
Don't you think thats a bit cynical? Don't you t hink that this country deserves better than just the lesser evil? The issue against Mrs. Arroyo is legitimacy, and it is precisely this issue that causes unrest. The upheavals in our society are not caused by the agents of such upheavals -- including Sen. Trillanes himself -- it is caused by our inability to live with the suspicion that we are being led by someone who has no right to do so. |
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| epigone | Jun 24 2007, 07:58 PM Post #33 |
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She is our and the lawful President!!with impeachment cases that came her way and still more coming! Until she is impeached, she still is President. She was suspected of cheating but should still be presumed innocent until proven guilty. What do we have on Trillanes? A serious indictment for mutiny. I wonder what the reaction will be if Trillanes were in power and a challenger to his throne commits treason? We "should give to Ceasar what is suppose to be his and to God what is suppose to be His". Judgmental people "sees the speck in her eyes but does not see hers". |
| "Provocation is a valid defense against homicide"- Canadian Law on MSantor who 'cough, cough..', passes by my company room with a cup of coffee, waits for me in the bus shelter together with his friends and provoke me, and has been stalking me in forums like army.ca, navy.ca, timawa.net, militaryforums.com... He indeed is 'SEEKING DEATH' - Holy Bible. | |
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| spellspinner | Jun 25 2007, 08:06 AM Post #34 |
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The presumption of regularity is a principle in law that prevents unecessary challenges to acts of the State. The operative word being "unecessary." This principle is required in order to allow the agents of the state (read:government) to operate efficiently without nuisance suits being filed against them. The due process requirements of the law are also put in place in order to ensure an orderly and fair dispensation of justice and to prevent a good old fashioned lynching. HOWEVER, neither one of these principles apply in the assistance of a circumvention of justice or in instances of abuse of right. Nor do these prinicples prevent an INQUIRY into the existence of crimes. To do so would precisely rupture the constitutional guarantees of fairness. The legitimacy of the Malacaņang occupant, therefore is precisely the point in issue and inquiry into such legitimacy is necessary and cannot be blocked by the presumption of regularity. The latter presumption is pierced by the existence of adverse evidence, which unfortunately for Mrs. Arroyo, was heard by the public. Sen. Trillanes made a serious challenge to Mrs. Arroyo's legitimacy and continues to do so. The cynicism we pointed out pertains to the habit of Sen. Trillanes' naysayers who insist that such a challenge, despite reasonable evidence is a waste of time. The truth is rarely convenient, but always necessary. |
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| Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP | Jun 25 2007, 06:14 PM Post #35 |
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Comparing the case between Mrs. Arroyo and Trillanes is like comparing "apples with bananas. While it is true that Mrs. Arroyo is sitting as president, her incumbency was tainted with an issue which even a first grader school boy knew about on that "hello garci"election episode, that until now has not yet been resolved. It does'nt mean that by sweeping it under the carpet, it can just erase it from the annals of that historic election fraud. It's always there and will never go away and it is the very reason why people behind bars got elected into office. It is highly inconceivable to consider Mrs. Arroyo innocent until proven otherwise because she herself had been triumphantly successful in building a firewall to block anything relevant to prove her guilt by employing every means of strong mechanism fueled with power and intimidation-as well-displayed and embraced in EO464 prohibiting government, police and miltary officials from attending Congressional inquiries at the height of that electoral fraud that marred the 2004 elections. This is the very root of the success of Trillanes's ascension to the Senate. |
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| el_ramon | Jun 26 2007, 02:48 PM Post #36 |
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yep, thats exactly how Trillanes got voted, he attracted the "i smell opportunity and im dying for change crowd so i'll vote anyone who seem to talk the talk". i just hope this time he'll be man enough to stick to the code and ethics of being a senator(if there such a thing) and retire doing stunts. tainted as he is lets give a chance, maybe he's what we have been waiting for. i still have goose bumps whenever i remember seeing him in tv for the first time, knowing my country he'll be a senator someday, BAM! there you go. im such a clairvoyant heh. |
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| Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP | Jun 26 2007, 05:16 PM Post #37 |
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We can put it this way; Trillanes himself did not ever dream for one second that he can be towed to the pillars of the Senate when he threw his hat for the electoral contest. I am not an iconoclastic, but, that is the truth of the situation. His purported agenda of reforms was drafted while he was inside that detention cell to kill off the boredom of being incarcerated, and took a ride on the people's anger towards Mrs. Arroyo and her entire regime. Granting that he was sincere in his agenda to reform the AFP, would anyone believe that with this single platform targetting on a single area which is the AFP could strike a musical chord to win the people's heart ? It was undoubtedly Mrs. Arroyo's difficult relationship with the truth arising from the 2004 election that gave rise to Trillanes' political windfall. |
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| surehitter2005 | Jun 27 2007, 11:41 PM Post #38 |
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Sir if 11 million people voted for a dog, then let them have a dogged senate. But am sure they are not the "i smell opportunity and im dying for change crowd so i'll vote anyone who seem to talk the talk" category, I may agree with you that they may be repentant voters who realized when the country got raped they shunned and looked the other way. There is a thing called "conscience" it may be slow, it may take some time but it does kick in, eventually. Subra ka naman na may 11 Million "i smell opportunity and im dying for change crowd so i'll vote anyone who seem to talk the talk" category of "dumb voters". 1. Senator Trillanes was not expected to win by surveys, why do evil minded people vote for a hopeless cause. 2. He does not have the money 3. The " i smell opportunity crowd" who voted for him are dumb bec the money is in TU not in GO. 4. The "im dying for change crowd" should have voted for chavit, he can definitely change the whole landscape if given his way. Just don't expect a good picture. 5. Eh di sana "anyone who seem to talk the talk crowd" should have planted pichay bec he seems to be denying the CA scam but we in the service know how he rapes our Colonels and Generals yet he can wiggle his way out of things with just pure talk. Some day sana maitanim sya sa senado ng mga binusabos niya sa may parking lot malapit sa guardhouse. Its finally falling in place, we fence sitters can at best just cast their vote and level the playing field. Its good spectator sport! |
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| el_ramon | Jun 28 2007, 12:25 AM Post #39 |
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im a little surprised with your interpretation of my post. maybe bec. im always a bad writer hehe. i didnt mean they were dumb or about money. that's not what i said. he was just the convinient guy to vote who seem anti-administration. and it worked. chavit is an annoyance nothing more.did you took him seriously at the time? the rest of the meaning, well i've already posted my 2 cent. |
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| surehitter2005 | Jun 28 2007, 12:37 AM Post #40 |
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Sir El Ramon I apologize sir kung mali ang aking akala. Ganun kasi ang tingin at first glance, I realized when I read your posts na i unwounded a loose thread on the whole matter. Pero, kung ok lang sayo can we leave the post as it is? It was my opinion at that point in time on the matter considering my limited knowledge on your other posts . If not I can withdraw the post. Surehit Ako rin sir bad poster, sometimes I just type fast and forget to appreciate alternative contexts of my statements. |
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