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| Hueys to be phased out! | |
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| adroth | May 29 2007, 01:19 PM Post #11 |
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Note how extensive Huey II modifications are. ![]() The high-wear components, the parts in grey, are practically replaced. The rest are parts with which the PAF already has experience making by itself. Not too long ago, the 410th MW acquired the ability to make its own plexiglass windshields. The PAF has also already proven that it is capable of implementing this conversion on its own -- without assistance from the manufacturer. Both the US Army and USAF are going with the Huey II. |
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| israeli | May 29 2007, 02:49 PM Post #12 |
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^ the question is how long will the US Army and the US Air Force hold on to the Huey II when they have more modern (as compared to the UH-1H) UH-60As at their disposal? we may target to have new Huey replacements within the next six years (2013) but if we are to order the first batch of them six years from now, the new helicopters will not arrive until, maybe 2016 or 2017. if we ought to have new helicopters by 2013, place those orders now or in 2008. however, i think the best INTERIM solution for now would be to upgrade 40 to 50 percent of our UH-1H fleet to Huey II standards. the Huey II could, at least, extend the life span and somewhat improve the capabilities of our Hueys, thus giving the Air Force enough helicopters until the arrival of the last modern Huey replacement. if i am to put such statement into numbers: * have 40 to 50 UH-1Hs (assuming that we have 80 to 100 Hueys) upgraded to Huey II standards * place orders for an initial batch of 20 UH-1H replacements, which we will assume to be brand new helicopters lastly, let us not stick ourselves to the Bell series (UH-1Y and Bell 412EP LUH), the UH-60 Blackhawk and the AW149 as our choices. we can also consider the AS-565 Panther/Z-9 (yes, i am open to the Chinese Dauphin copycat as one option), AS-532 Cougar, Mi-17-1V Hip and the NH-90 (supposing we have the money to buy and maintain this monster) as choices. |
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| Spidey | May 29 2007, 07:51 PM Post #13 |
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six years still long way off. it still possible that the PAF will changed its mind and upgrade to Huey II many of the Hueys in addition to brand new procurement |
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| Tora^2 | May 29 2007, 10:24 PM Post #14 |
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If ever the PAF is to retain some of those Hueys in an upgraded form, then it would be those that will be relegated to roles that do not take as much on the stress airframe such as VIP transport or as liaisons or even SAR. |
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| adroth | May 29 2007, 11:22 PM Post #15 |
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Historically . . . its always been the best aircraft in the inventory that are used for VIP transports. The S-70s, the Pumas (which are no longer there), and the lone Bell 214 in the inventory have all been VIP transports. However the two Huey IIs in the inventory have indeed been assigned to the 505th SAR. |
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| edwin | May 30 2007, 05:47 AM Post #16 |
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Despite the ability of PAF to Upgrade and Extend the service life of their old Huey (UH-1) helicopter into Huey2., the modernization program of PAF must always stay focus on replacing its aging fleet of helicopter and acquire other air assets that they dont have. Keeping a tired aging fleet of helos in good flying condition while waiting for six years to have a brand new replacement is a big challenge to PAF. I hope PAF officials have already submitted a proposal on what kind of helicopter they want after six years and STICK TO IT until the day those brand new helicopter arrive in Philippine soil. Cheers
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| israeli | May 30 2007, 07:26 PM Post #17 |
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if we want to have the Hueys replaced within six years, then we will have to put the orders for the replacement helicopters by this year or next year. otherwise, we will fail to achieve such objective because it will take sometime before the entire Huey fleet can be replaced. although i am for the selection of the best helicopter type to succeed the venerable UH-1H, i am still pushing for the possible upgrade of 40 to 50 percent of our total Huey fleet into Huey II standards as an INTERIM solution as we wait for all the replacement helicopters to arrive. |
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| spearhead | May 30 2007, 11:14 PM Post #18 |
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Absolutely. That process will take place within 6 yrs while converting some of our hueys. So whats next then? Its really a retard statement to keep our hueys after 6 yrs from now even if we convert them to huey II. Therefore I will go for a total phase out of these crappy choppers, whatever we do their mainframes are still aging and the aerodynamic and style of these aircrafts are becoming obsolete. Lastly, they are non-stealth, too slow, and theyre simply too noisy. That previous announcement released by the AFP was really uplifting, indeed a good news for most of us, and im sure that will also make our soldiers and pilots very happy. Imagine, we have been using the Hueys for more than 30 yrs, so its about time to make a change and look for troop transport choppers with a much modern technology, tougher, more capable, stealthier, and faster. What i would suggest for the old hueys are to either sell them to other 3rd world countries, or sell them to our different local agencies and governments to be used for their SAR (Search And Rescue) missions. While some of them can also be offered and acquired by the PNP to convert them into their surveillance aircrafts and as well as for their own SAR Unit. One paramilitary unit like the PNP-SAF will surely be interested to acquire atleast some of them. Next time when NICA will finally establish their own paramilitary unit, may also be interested in acquiring Huey II. Who knows, but the AFP will really need to replace them. Another option is to convert them into military SAR while assigning them to our AFP's SAR unit.
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| adroth | May 31 2007, 06:30 AM Post #19 |
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Why would it be retarded? The USAF is taking deliveries of Huey IIs till 2009. They will undoubtedly still be in service by 2013 -- when your six-year time frame ends. Supplies for this cost-effective type will be available for years. So long as it works well -- which is what the Huey II conversion will ensure; its airframe is still viable; and is cost effective (you can operate 4 hueys II with the operational cost of a UH-60), the "retarded" thing would be to throw it away merely because its not new. Old does not automatically mean obsolete, or "must be replaced". |
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| edwin | May 31 2007, 04:34 PM Post #20 |
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Quote by Adroth Posted on May 31 2007, 06:30 AM
That is the beating factor of HUEY ll among other combat helicopter..It's the COST. I have such doubt that after SIX YEARS, our PAF still dont have the New type of helicopter they want and stay on those cost effective Upgrade program which will save their budget. But still My thought is always for PAF to acquire a suitable and effective Modern Air Asset/Equipment due to the reality that it is what they lack the most. Cheers
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