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Light gunships; Orbiting fire
Topic Started: Apr 1 2007, 02:04 PM (2,011 Views)
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Well thats a good idea in all but i was thinking of using it for counter insurgency ??
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Going back to the Turbo Porter, i don't get it why the PAF haven't purchased this plane. I have mentioned this plane a lot in previous posts and spoke in glowing terms of its versatility, hardiness and maintainablity.

What's more it is extremely easy to procure. Other than being cheap. You don't have to negotiate with governments and Pilatus itself. There are many 2nd hand examples out there which means it can easily be bough piecemeal like those attrition replacement Mescalero trainers.
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Why not some of the Nomads in use already, when i went to cebu. We were informed that these were at times used as bombers.
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Apr 1 2007, 02:04 PM
Orbiting fire has been known to be useful in COIN and you don't have to get closer as in a diving attack to sustain fire against targets. But only the USAF flies the AC-130, and even Colombia's Basler-upgraded AC-47 with a pair GAU-19 3-barrel .50cal might be out of reach. We could resort to smaller fixed-wing aircraft that still have good endurance and are economical to operate.

Commercial off-the-shelf single-engined options include the PC-6 Porter and Cessna Caravan.

An AU-23 (PC-6) with a 3-barrel 20mm (!):
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Other possible weapons include the Nexter (Giat) SH-20 single-barrel 20mm door gun, the GAU-19, the M3M/GAU-21 high-ROF .50cal or even 40mm AGL (which have made it to some helicopters). Perhaps the PC-6 Porter's wide doors would allow both the M3 .50cal and a CIS 40AGL (we already got some; or the more compact SLWAGL. The obligatory FLIR turret would also make it night-capable.

Weapons could be fired manually by gunners. Or could be fixed and operated remotely by one of the pilots, with just a loader out back.

And in more peaceful times, these could be converted back to transports.

MAGNIFICENT!!! why is our military turning a blind-eye on all of this when it is in their sites already?? look at the PC-6, who could anyone think that this plane can be used for COIN/CAS!! it is cheaper, readily available, and most of all it is sturdy and rugged!!!

i will opt for this plane for cost-effective COIN operation!!!

RALLY ON!!!!!
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Apr 6 2007, 05:37 PM
Why not some of the Nomads in use already, when i went to cebu. We were informed that these were at times used as bombers.

Already too few Nomads, we give up too much in maritime surveillance if we convert these to gunships.

If the PAF is considering this, they'll just have to pony up for PC-6s, in which case, going second-hand to convert these to mini-gunships won't be such a bad thing.

Tora^2
Apr 3 2007, 10:08 AM
Going back to the Turbo Porter, i don't get it why the PAF haven't purchased this plane. I have mentioned this plane a lot in previous posts and spoke in glowing terms of its versatility, hardiness and maintainablity.

Yep, the PC-6 is a favorite here (along with the M28 Skytruck) and for good reason. In regard to the Turbo Porter, I suspect that as a transport, even a light one, the PAF is biased toward twins since these would inevitably be called to do over-water ops transport duties (e.g., Mactan to Zamboanga, Zambo to Sulu, etc).

Still holds though, that a PC-6 gunship should be acceptable in most areas where single-engine Defenders or Hueys too aren't called to do over-water (such as operating out of a Cagayan airbase to cover northern Luzon or GenSan to cover southern Mindanao).
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Apr 1 2007, 02:04 PM
Orbiting fire has been known to be useful in COIN and you don't have to get closer as in a diving attack to sustain fire against targets. But only the USAF flies the AC-130, and even Colombia's Basler-upgraded AC-47 with a pair GAU-19 3-barrel .50cal might be out of reach. We could resort to smaller fixed-wing aircraft that still have good endurance and are economical to operate.

Commercial off-the-shelf single-engined options include the PC-6 Porter and Cessna Caravan.

An AU-23 (PC-6) with a 3-barrel 20mm (!):
Posted Image

Other possible weapons include the Nexter (Giat) SH-20  single-barrel 20mm door gun, the GAU-19, the M3M/GAU-21 high-ROF .50cal or even 40mm AGL (which have made it to some helicopters). Perhaps the PC-6 Porter's wide doors would allow both the M3 .50cal and a CIS 40AGL (we already got some; or the more compact SLWAGL. The obligatory FLIR turret would also make it night-capable.

Weapons could be fired manually by gunners. Or could be fixed and operated remotely by one of the pilots, with just a loader out back.

And in more peaceful times, these could be converted back to transports.

MAGNIFICENT!!! why is our military turning a blind-eye on all of this when it is in their sites already?? look at the PC-6, who could anyone think that this plane can be used for COIN/CAS!! it is cheaper, readily available, and most of all it is sturdy and rugged!!!

i will opt for this plane for cost-effective COIN operation!!!

RALLY ON!!!!!

wHY THE MILITARY IS tURNING A BLIND EYE ON GREAT IDEAS, WOULD IT BE POSIBLE THAT MOST OF THE TOP BRASS ARE PETS OF MOST POLITICIANS. These politicians probably support the npas or other groups to maintain their stay in the government during elections, since that npa areas the neps have the say on the vote or can affect the votes of the people.

If the rebels were wiped out, no more hold on their positions. So why give the military tools they need so much to do their job.
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Apr 15 2007, 02:06 PM
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Apr 14 2007, 12:54 AM
tirad
Apr 1 2007, 02:04 PM
Orbiting fire has been known to be useful in COIN and you don't have to get closer as in a diving attack to sustain fire against targets. But only the USAF flies the AC-130, and even Colombia's Basler-upgraded AC-47 with a pair GAU-19 3-barrel .50cal might be out of reach. We could resort to smaller fixed-wing aircraft that still have good endurance and are economical to operate.

Commercial off-the-shelf single-engined options include the PC-6 Porter and Cessna Caravan.

An AU-23 (PC-6) with a 3-barrel 20mm (!):
Posted Image

Other possible weapons include the Nexter (Giat) SH-20  single-barrel 20mm door gun, the GAU-19, the M3M/GAU-21 high-ROF .50cal or even 40mm AGL (which have made it to some helicopters). Perhaps the PC-6 Porter's wide doors would allow both the M3 .50cal and a CIS 40AGL (we already got some; or the more compact SLWAGL. The obligatory FLIR turret would also make it night-capable.

Weapons could be fired manually by gunners. Or could be fixed and operated remotely by one of the pilots, with just a loader out back.

And in more peaceful times, these could be converted back to transports.

MAGNIFICENT!!! why is our military turning a blind-eye on all of this when it is in their sites already?? look at the PC-6, who could anyone think that this plane can be used for COIN/CAS!! it is cheaper, readily available, and most of all it is sturdy and rugged!!!

i will opt for this plane for cost-effective COIN operation!!!

RALLY ON!!!!!

wHY THE MILITARY IS tURNING A BLIND EYE ON GREAT IDEAS, WOULD IT BE POSIBLE THAT MOST OF THE TOP BRASS ARE PETS OF MOST POLITICIANS. These politicians probably support the npas or other groups to maintain their stay in the government during elections, since that npa areas the neps have the say on the vote or can affect the votes of the people.

If the rebels were wiped out, no more hold on their positions. So why give the military tools they need so much to do their job.

This is very much true. I'm have a close friend in laguna, he's a congressman and he employs the neps as his private army. Already spoke to him about it but I guess he's just giving a deaf ear on this matter...
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