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New indigenous armored vehicle; Meet the MX-8 'Barako'
Topic Started: Mar 16 2007, 05:40 PM (202,726 Views)
Aero
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flipzi
Sep 15 2013, 11:12 AM
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Sep 14 2013, 11:27 PM
d ba to pwede lusubin ng blackout with night vision? :rifle:
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the remaining rebels have been reduced greatly. around half of the original. many have run out of ammo.

night attack is possible with LRB/SAF tandem. many have NVG already.

HOPEFULLY THE GOVT WILL NOW PROVIDE THE LRB/SAF WITH NIGHT OPERATIONS CAPABLE APC TOO with RC TURRET GUNS TOO TO MAKE THEM BETTER PREPARED FOR THE NEXT SIEGE.

Is that members of LRB?
Edited by Aero, Sep 15 2013, 02:03 PM.
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LRB and SAF
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the reason i think why the prevailing use of 50 cal in COIN is the ammo cost and amount of you could carry in a simba. i think 20-30mm bullets are expensive and if suppression fire from a few hundred meters away is needed i think the 50cal would suffice. Although a 20mm equipped IFV is not a bad idea, but in urban warfare??? i dunno. id rather have it on an air asset, like death from above :D.
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the 25-30mm ammos for IFVs are for NON-URBAN TERRAIN engagements to destroy enemy defenses.

for URBAN engagements, only 30 caliber (7.62 mm) ammos should be allowed.

many turrets have both the 30 cal and 50 cal
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Simba APC
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All Simbas only carry the 50 cal machine gun as per this photo.

with the Zambo siege, it is high time we consider installing TURRETS with both the 30 cal and 50 cal guns for flexibility. the 30 cal guns should be used for MOUT. nonetheless, the 50 cal gun can still be used if the need requires it.

V150 are usually carrying both, the 30 cal and 50 cals. these V150s should be considered for MOUT

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V150 Commando APC
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M113 with 30 caliber gun and 25mm gun

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V300 with 50 cal and 30 cal guns


Armored vehicles from the Philippine National Police

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V150 Commando APC

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Sep 15 2013, 12:57 AM
Can anyone link some videos? what do you guys mean by '''firing like crazy''?

It's easy to search the web for videos of USMC/US army infantry squads in Astan/Iraq pouring large amounts of fire in a general direction for suppression ,without aiming at specific targets. It's not surprising if AFP soldiers did the same.
Better watch the news so you can see for yourself what i am talking about. And please do not compare the Zamboanga crisis to Iraq coz that's a different situation as the US does not know who are they dealing with...and the people around them.
Edited by gammy322, Sep 15 2013, 08:19 PM.
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We just need to equip the armored vehicle's turret with thermal scopes so they wont be so useless just drilling holes in the wall, they can easily see snipers hiding, day or night with no problem, jungle or in urban, but urban is easier, adding attack helicopter with nose FLIR turret, they would be picking those rebels like cherry in the dead of the night.
Modernization should prioritize:

Patrol Ships with air/sub/ship detection, fast & lightly armed for Navy.
Surface Attack Aircraft with anti ship/sub attack capability for Airforce.
SAM with Radars, Close AA battery capable of shooting ground targets too for Army.
This triangle defense will work together and protect us from external threats.
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Oct 3 2013, 10:44 PM
We just need to equip the armored vehicle's turret with thermal scopes so they wont be so useless just drilling holes in the wall, they can easily see snipers hiding, day or night with no problem, jungle or in urban, but urban is easier, adding attack helicopter with nose FLIR turret, they would be picking those rebels like cherry in the dead of the night.
Thermal scopes are going to be a problem in an urban environment due to the following reasons;

1. High sensitivity to heat, so if, for an instance, the enemy is hiding behind a burning roadblock, the thermal scopes is blinded.
2. If the building in question has a relatively low background-to-target heat ratio (meaning the temp. of the surroundings and your targets, the MNLF snipers, is nearly more or less the same), then the target might just blend in.
3. Lastly, thermal scopes are not that easy to acquire and operate, unless it is mitigated by a user-friendly design.

TL;DR: Thermal scopes are more or less ineffective in daylight urban combat and in times that there are very hot nights.
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there are now a different sets of urban warfare technology available. we should not just focus on bigger guns and/or thermal or ir detection which is a very passive technique as you need to find the sniper yourself. there are now some active detection tech available where you can pinpoint the location were a gun was firing.

this is OT but just saying

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Oct 3 2013, 11:36 PM

1. High sensitivity to heat, so if, for an instance, the enemy is hiding behind a burning roadblock, the thermal scopes is blinded.
2. If the building in question has a relatively low background-to-target heat ratio (meaning the temp. of the surroundings and your targets, the MNLF snipers, is nearly more or less the same), then the target might just blend in.
3. Lastly, thermal scopes are not that easy to acquire and operate, unless it is mitigated by a user-friendly design.

TL;DR: Thermal scopes are more or less ineffective in daylight urban combat and in times that there are very hot nights.
Actually the thermal scope will detect variants of heat, so a fire and an enemy body temp and a hot building will be color coded differently. Especially at night, a hot suppressor barrel, a body temparature will separte easily on a dark zero visibility night in the alleys and buildings even in jungles. Im not saying its fool proof but increasing its visibility can make a difference.

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Edited by paratorpe, Oct 7 2013, 12:54 PM.
Modernization should prioritize:

Patrol Ships with air/sub/ship detection, fast & lightly armed for Navy.
Surface Attack Aircraft with anti ship/sub attack capability for Airforce.
SAM with Radars, Close AA battery capable of shooting ground targets too for Army.
This triangle defense will work together and protect us from external threats.
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