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Chinese-made weapons and equipment for the AFP?
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Topic Started: Mar 9 2007, 01:09 AM (7,042 Views)
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akimima
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Mar 10 2007, 05:13 AM
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Spearhead,
Hope that day comes during our lifetime! Pangit lang ng color scheme nila for the JF-17...light green. Its going to look more classy with the traditional light or sky blue color scheme that they used for the F5's.
If ever the PAF gets the JF-17 in the future, among the PDFF artist around, what's the best color scheme would apply on this aircraft?
I vote for sky or light blue.
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The Patriot
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Mar 10 2007, 09:49 AM
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I've read somewhere before that even Britain's military ordered military uniforms from China.
What about basic kit like backpacks, load-bearing vests, harnesses, body armor, boots, helmets, etc.
These ought to be a lot cheaper than Western-made kit.
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flipzi
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Mar 10 2007, 10:59 AM
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Fellows,
If there's no chance that we can get the Cobras, then i believe we should get the WZ-10 instead. It seems like it is a copy of the Cobra frame design.
The nose-mounted canon is still not as good as that of the Cobra though.
I believe we should opt for the WZ-10.
As for the MRFs, forget about the JF-17. It's AN OBSOLETE FRAME DESIGN. Aim for the J-10 instead.
Nonetheless, i hope our planners will never forget that China remains a part of our external threat. I suggest we go for the JAS39. It's a proven design and the design has gone through a lot of modifications already to fix the disadvanatges of the earlier frames.
As for the Americans, they must now re-darft their strategy. They can offer the Apaches to rich countries. But for developing countries like us, they should offer the Super Cobra variant instead.
I hope the PAF will make a second bidding and the Americans will offer their Super Cobras at a much more acceptable payment scheme.
My goodness! I cant seem to believe the Americans are losing out their Super Cobras to the Chinese copycat.



The Cobra's design alone and its modifications make it all the supreme choice for countries like us.
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edwin
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Mar 11 2007, 07:56 PM
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Better stick to Western Made even we procure a little amount of it, but the quality and technology is already in the package..
and reverse engineer those Western made weapons..
Chinese made product are well know for being low class in workmanship and quality, much more to a military equipment...
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Mar 13 2007, 02:42 PM
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would you want to buy your weapons and equipment from a country that threatens your existence as a sovereign country?
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Origin of Chinese M14 Rifles
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The Communist Chinese government made two attempts to ship its select fire M14 rifles to the Philippines. The first attempt was largely unsuccessful and the second was a total failure. In 1971, Jose Maria Sison, founding chairman of the Communist Party of the Philippines, chose Ricardo S. Malay, then a columnist for the Manila Chronicle, to arrange the delivery of weapons from China to the New People's Army in anticipation of an armed uprising against Ferdinand Marcos. Malay and his family therefore made their way to China in July, 1971. Malay and his family were later joined in China by Sison's closest colleague, Ibara Tubianosa, and four other individuals. Certain arrangements were made to package 1,200 of the rifles with magazines, a quantity of ammunition, and other military items. The cargo was soon thereafter loaded onto the ship MV Karagatan. The ship and its cargo sailed from the Chinese naval base at Swatoy headed for Digoyo Bay, Isabela Province, Philippines. However, the Philippine armed forces intercepted the shipment. The New People's Army fighters, led by Victor Corpus, were waiting for the delivery. A firefight ensued between the New People's Army fighters, led by Victor Corpus, who were waiting for the delivery and the Philippine troops. The NPA was only able to salvage only 200 of the 1,200 M14 rifles and little of the other military equipment Mao Zedong had approved as aid to the Philippine revolution.
In 1973, Sison tasked Malay to attempt another delivery of M14 rifles from China to the Philippines. He proposed that the Chinese prepare a shipment of M14 rifles in watertight packages to be dropped off the Pangasinan coast for recovery by scuba divers. Months later in December, 1973, Malay and Tubianosa flew to Sanya, Hainan. Hainan is the southernmost island of China. Sanya is the capital of Hainan as well as the location of a Chinese naval base. When Malay and Tubianosa arrived at Sanya, they were briefed by a Chinese military officer regarding the packaging of the M14 rifles. The rifles were vacuum packed inside reinforced plastic bags with three rifles to a sack. Each sack also contained ammunition. The Chinese military officer had a team that had previously tested the packaging to make sure it would hold in the ocean environment. Malay and Tubianosa flew to Beijing the next day. The ship MV Andrea, with four crewmembers, was assigned to transport the M14 rifles and eight New People's Army fighters to the Philippine Pangasinan coast. Enroute to Sanya, the ship struck a reef somewhere in the Pratas Islands of the South China Sea. The twelve men aboard (four crewmembers and the eight New Peoples Army fighters) the stranded vessel were picked up and taken to Hong Kong by a passing Hong Kong salvage ship, the Oriental Falcon. In exchange for passage to Hong Kong, the Oriental Falcon was allowed to keep the MV Andrea for scrap. After a stay in a Hong Kong jail, the Filipino New Peoples Army fighters were released due to intervention of the Chinese Red Cross and the ship's Chinese crew was quickly moved to the Chinese mainland.
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Mar 14 2007, 01:04 AM
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- israeli
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would you want to buy your weapons and equipment from a country that threatens your existence as a sovereign country? taken from a Canadian forum: - Quote:
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Origin of Chinese M14 Rifles
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In 1973, Sison tasked Malay to attempt another delivery of M14 rifles from China to the Philippines. He proposed that the Chinese prepare a shipment of M14 rifles in watertight packages to be dropped off the Pangasinan coast for recovery by scuba divers. Months later in December, 1973, Malay and Tubianosa flew to Sanya, Hainan. Hainan is the southernmost island of China. Sanya is the capital of Hainan as well as the location of a Chinese naval base. When Malay and Tubianosa arrived at Sanya, they were briefed by a Chinese military officer regarding the packaging of the M14 rifles. The rifles were vacuum packed inside reinforced plastic bags with three rifles to a sack. Each sack also contained ammunition. The Chinese military officer had a team that had previously tested the packaging to make sure it would hold in the ocean environment. Malay and Tubianosa flew to Beijing the next day. The ship MV Andrea, with four crewmembers, was assigned to transport the M14 rifles and eight New People's Army fighters to the Philippine Pangasinan coast. Enroute to Sanya, the ship struck a reef somewhere in the Pratas Islands of the South China Sea. The twelve men aboard (four crewmembers and the eight New Peoples Army fighters) the stranded vessel were picked up and taken to Hong Kong by a passing Hong Kong salvage ship, the Oriental Falcon. In exchange for passage to Hong Kong, the Oriental Falcon was allowed to keep the MV Andrea for scrap. After a stay in a Hong Kong jail, the Filipino New Peoples Army fighters were released due to intervention of the Chinese Red Cross and the ship's Chinese crew was quickly moved to the Chinese mainland.
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In 1973? I wonder what Marcos would've done and what Nixon would've thought about it.
In 2007? Consider that the US now does much, much more business with China than the Philippines. Yep, China figures in external defense scenarios, such as a hypothetical unfortunate skirmish over the Spratlys, but "threatens our existence as a sovereign country"? Um, seriously?
Besides, the strange irony of using weapons from China to get at Maoist rebs (along with ASG) is just too interesting a twist.
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Mar 14 2007, 05:03 PM
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would you want to buy your weapons and equipment from a country that threatens your existence as a sovereign country? taken from a Canadian forum: - Quote:
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Origin of Chinese M14 Rifles
x x x
In 1973, Sison tasked Malay to attempt another delivery of M14 rifles from China to the Philippines. He proposed that the Chinese prepare a shipment of M14 rifles in watertight packages to be dropped off the Pangasinan coast for recovery by scuba divers. Months later in December, 1973, Malay and Tubianosa flew to Sanya, Hainan. Hainan is the southernmost island of China. Sanya is the capital of Hainan as well as the location of a Chinese naval base. When Malay and Tubianosa arrived at Sanya, they were briefed by a Chinese military officer regarding the packaging of the M14 rifles. The rifles were vacuum packed inside reinforced plastic bags with three rifles to a sack. Each sack also contained ammunition. The Chinese military officer had a team that had previously tested the packaging to make sure it would hold in the ocean environment. Malay and Tubianosa flew to Beijing the next day. The ship MV Andrea, with four crewmembers, was assigned to transport the M14 rifles and eight New People's Army fighters to the Philippine Pangasinan coast. Enroute to Sanya, the ship struck a reef somewhere in the Pratas Islands of the South China Sea. The twelve men aboard (four crewmembers and the eight New Peoples Army fighters) the stranded vessel were picked up and taken to Hong Kong by a passing Hong Kong salvage ship, the Oriental Falcon. In exchange for passage to Hong Kong, the Oriental Falcon was allowed to keep the MV Andrea for scrap. After a stay in a Hong Kong jail, the Filipino New Peoples Army fighters were released due to intervention of the Chinese Red Cross and the ship's Chinese crew was quickly moved to the Chinese mainland.
x x x
In 1973? I wonder what Marcos would've done and what Nixon would've thought about it. In 2007? Consider that the US now does much, much more business with China than the Philippines. Yep, China figures in external defense scenarios, such as a hypothetical unfortunate skirmish over the Spratlys, but "threatens our existence as a sovereign country"? Um, seriously? Besides, the strange irony of using weapons from China to get at Maoist rebs (along with ASG) is just too interesting a twist.
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Mar 14 2007, 05:39 PM
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would you want to buy your weapons and equipment from a country that threatens your existence as a sovereign country? taken from a Canadian forum: - Quote:
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Origin of Chinese M14 Rifles
x x x
In 1973, Sison tasked Malay to attempt another delivery of M14 rifles from China to the Philippines. He proposed that the Chinese prepare a shipment of M14 rifles in watertight packages to be dropped off the Pangasinan coast for recovery by scuba divers. Months later in December, 1973, Malay and Tubianosa flew to Sanya, Hainan. Hainan is the southernmost island of China. Sanya is the capital of Hainan as well as the location of a Chinese naval base. When Malay and Tubianosa arrived at Sanya, they were briefed by a Chinese military officer regarding the packaging of the M14 rifles. The rifles were vacuum packed inside reinforced plastic bags with three rifles to a sack. Each sack also contained ammunition. The Chinese military officer had a team that had previously tested the packaging to make sure it would hold in the ocean environment. Malay and Tubianosa flew to Beijing the next day. The ship MV Andrea, with four crewmembers, was assigned to transport the M14 rifles and eight New People's Army fighters to the Philippine Pangasinan coast. Enroute to Sanya, the ship struck a reef somewhere in the Pratas Islands of the South China Sea. The twelve men aboard (four crewmembers and the eight New Peoples Army fighters) the stranded vessel were picked up and taken to Hong Kong by a passing Hong Kong salvage ship, the Oriental Falcon. In exchange for passage to Hong Kong, the Oriental Falcon was allowed to keep the MV Andrea for scrap. After a stay in a Hong Kong jail, the Filipino New Peoples Army fighters were released due to intervention of the Chinese Red Cross and the ship's Chinese crew was quickly moved to the Chinese mainland.
x x x
In 1973? I wonder what Marcos would've done and what Nixon would've thought about it. In 2007? Consider that the US now does much, much more business with China than the Philippines. Yep, China figures in external defense scenarios, such as a hypothetical unfortunate skirmish over the Spratlys, but "threatens our existence as a sovereign country"? Um, seriously? Besides, the strange irony of using weapons from China to get at Maoist rebs (along with ASG) is just too interesting a twist.
Ya, Sir tirad. It's an interesting twist of blew in and blew out. And I know the actors involved. He wouldn't even suspect that he has a snake inside him. (Giveaways are free as long as we don't piss them off. So don't piss them off. That is the reason why I cancelled my speaking engagements and threw all of my literary stuff down the garbage bin)
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Mar 14 2007, 08:16 PM
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Hi epigone I am getting curious with whats going on can you please elaborate further?
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epigone
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Mar 15 2007, 07:17 AM
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It's my way of saying not to piss off Chinese intel. They might be willing to forget Sison and the NPA and give us the upperhand. It's a give and take. I am deleting my poem on Taiwanese independence.
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"Provocation is a valid defense against homicide"- Canadian Law on MSantor who 'cough, cough..', passes by my company room with a cup of coffee, waits for me in the bus shelter together with his friends and provoke me, and has been stalking me in forums like army.ca, navy.ca, timawa.net, militaryforums.com... He indeed is 'SEEKING DEATH' - Holy Bible.
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