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| Wardog | Mar 3 2007, 04:42 PM Post #1 |
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'waggin my tail :-)
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http://www.abs-cbnnews.com/storypage.aspx?StoryId=66460 The Americans are building a thousand-ship navy, and no, we’re not getting any hand-me-downs from the naval buildup. We will be part of that navy, if we’re not already, considering that the Arroyo administration has declared the country a staunch US ally in the war on terror. Armed Forces chief Gen. Hermogenes Esperon said the other day that if all the warships of the Philippine Navy were placed together end-to-end they would not cover a kilometer. It’s a testament to how poorly equipped our Navy is that we actually wondered if that was no exaggeration. But the size of the naval fleet does not matter to the superpower that wants a thousand-ship navy. What matters is sharing information about security threats in the high seas, so that even if the US in fact has only about 280 naval vessels and does not intend to add 700 more, its partnerships with other navies around the world will make it seem as if it has a fleet of a thousand or more vessels deployed around the globe. This is partly why the commander of the US Seventh Fleet is in town with his flagship, the USS Blue Ridge. "One of the reasons I am here is to talk to the Philippine Navy and see how we could operate together and better share information," Vice Adm. Doug Crowder told me the other day over lunch with US Ambassador Kristie Kenney and embassy press attaché Matthew Lussenhop. The thousand-ship navy was conceived in 2005 by Adm. Michael Mullen, US chief of naval operations, and presented for the first time at an international sea power symposium in Newport, Rhode Island with naval officers from about 50 countries in attendance. Crowder, who has been to the Philippines "about two dozen times," said the US initiative has been "enormously successful." "It’s about a group of navies in the world doing what’s in their best interest and knowing that they’ll be more successful, because it is a global war on terror… if they share information with other navies," he said. "We’re gonna partner with as many nations… as we can." It’s a partnership "not against things," he emphasized, "but for things – to keep things safe, to keep terrorism out of our seas." --------- now can we claim that we are part of the mighty US 7th Fleet?
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Anyone who comes to a counter-insurgency thinking it`s about killing terrorists is missing the boat. It`s really about winning the people. You can kill all the terrorists but then you`ve pissed people off and created 100 more. -Col. Bradley Becker | |
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| maniegom | Mar 3 2007, 07:33 PM Post #2 |
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I'm surprised that this news just hit ABS-CBN just recently, old news na ito from our side. It comes to show you that one nation cannot do it alone and it needs all allies to participate in this concept. I see nothing wrong or ironic about it; do you? Welcome aboard (if you want to?) :thumb: Now for those who want to bring it further, this doesn't mean we can dish out a begging bowl so that this one source will supply all your needs. Your country, your responsibility, your defense; but our WHOLE cooperation. :aberet: |
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| MSantor | Mar 4 2007, 02:13 AM Post #3 |
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What do you mean you (the RP) will be part of that Navy? If that were true for all America's allies, then all the British Royal Navy, the Canadian Navy/Marcom and the Royal Australian Navy and the South Korean Navy and all of America's NATO and non-NATO allies' navies would be part of that Navy. Dream on Wardog! Just because America is your ally doesn't mean you should be part of them! You have to think realistically and dont' always expect help from Washington just because they're a current ally. As cynics are always apt to say "Nations do not have allies, only interests". The Philippines should continue building its own Navy, and not rely on the US Seventh and Third Fleets to protect its maritime interests. The US 7th Fleet is only in the Pacific to serve the American people's interests- not anyone elses', in spite of the relative peace that fleet brings to that region. The PN being part of the USN's mighty 7th fleet? Give me a break....
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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton | |
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| Wardog | Mar 4 2007, 06:44 AM Post #4 |
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'waggin my tail :-)
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Why not? Its not joining the USN literally, although some in the PN may quite agree. Its just cooperating with the US 7th Fleet in conducting security patrols in the Asia Pacific area. Even Thailand, Singapore and Malaysia have no scruples in doing so. Read the whole of Pamintuan's article so you can understand the essence of this. |
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| MSantor | Mar 4 2007, 07:49 AM Post #5 |
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Wardog, I read the article and very much understand the gist of the article. What I don't like is the wording you used- t"he PN being part of the 7th Fleet"- I don't like that, though you wouldn't give a rat's a** about that... I am very much aware of the difference between mere cooperation between competing services of different nations, but that is different from the word "being part of" or "joining" the US 7th Fleet where the PN would be under direct command of that female USN Admiral who commands the 7th from the USS "Kitty Hawk". From what I see, this "thousand ship Navy" concept is ambitious considering America's growing global commitments including Iraq and Afghanistan and elsewhere- which would call for more ground troops and heavy airlift transport planes such as C-17s and C-5s in order to quickly deploy them. This "Thousand-Ship" Navy may also be an expansion of the "600-ship Navy" concept of the late President Ronald Reagan during the 1980s. However, in this case, the most probable rival this build-up is aimed at is probably China, though the Chinese People's Liberation Army Navy (PLAN) is nowhere near in tonnage and hull numbers as the USN now. We should see whether the current Chinese economic growth continues to the point where the PLAN will one day sport several carrier battle groups patrolling the Taiwan Strait and the rest of the Pacific. |
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"If you think you can do a thing or think you can't do a thing, you're right." - Henry Ford "Courage is going from failure to failure without losing enthusiasm." - Winston Churchill "If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking"- Gen. George S. Patton | |
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| Tormentor | Mar 4 2007, 09:08 AM Post #6 |
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1I don't know what you dudes are being sensitive about...not much difference to me anyway. Since when did we NOT a part of the US Navy, or the US for that matter? We are only independent in name but not in reality. (Smith! Smith! ooh where are thou now? )And I'm sure glad its already 'a thousand-ship navy' in contrast to Reagan's 600-ship navy. The more the merrier. Bwehehehe! |
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| jammerjamesky | Mar 4 2007, 12:00 PM Post #7 |
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For the 7th Fleet visit was a goodwill with some humanitarian project and as well as R&R for the sailors. Inter-operability at the sea are being delt here. It is also our task and responsibility to conduct operations its either for civilian and military purposes as long as we can operate with the different navy national's. Isnt nice to see we are operating together with the other navy's with more capable ships. this means our current PN personnel and sailors are being exposed to the new technology. Operating together with the other national means enhancement of our current operational procedures and doctrine also. Why we should limit to the US? We have BALIKATAN for them already. Australia is another possible candidate and Singapore for SOFA. or ASEAN navy's are still there... border to border cooperation. Binding together for one cause and aim will bring us a thousand ship in the formation and fight against terrorism and piracy or etc. |
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| spearhead | Mar 5 2007, 09:10 AM Post #8 |
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DoctorNO, Your Neutral Observer.
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I dont like the idea too, as i dont trust the americans. Its very unpatriotic in part of us if we will join that thousand navy concept. To hell with them, we cant just trust any of our allies as they can always manipulate every national interest of their own. If we dont patrol our philippine sea by our own warships, the americans can always do some stealing there like protecting their own research vessels to recover some sunken treasures underneath, and many such things like that. Same goes to the japanese, koreans, chinese, & other ASEAN nations who have been illigally poaching in our seas for decades now, if we dont buy and build our own warships, sooner or later we will run out of resources and will affect our economy. Thats why we dont trust anybody even if its your uncle sam.
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| seWer Rat | Mar 5 2007, 09:26 AM Post #9 |
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as what tormentor (awesome avatar pare!) said above, nothing much we can do about it SINCE we are already in it, along long time ago. |
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| maniegom | Mar 5 2007, 05:08 PM Post #10 |
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It's just a concept of cooperation within the region and nothing more. You are all entitled to your own doubts and opinions regarding the source where it came from and do have your respective legitimate concerns / reasons as to resons why to trust it or not. However for those who are opposed to such, think about it; who do we really rely so much on for the PN's future needs (assets)? Having pride is always a good thing, but reality still serves what and where we presently are. Now do you still want to doubt this? As posted before in this thread, there are some here who are over reacting and making a big stink out of nothing.
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