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How about Czech attack aircraft US tech combo?
Topic Started: Oct 17 2006, 01:53 AM (1,143 Views)
Zero wing
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guys i know where a US ally but i ask u guys this how about we buy Czech Aircraft then we update them with US weapons and eqiupments?i want to know what u guyz think about it? :patrioticpinoy:
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“As long as we are not willing to provide an adequate, suitable and capable defense for this country, we will be oppressed, demeaned and dishonored. We will be the stepping mat of every country in this region,”(Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile)

“Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson)
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Czechs Modify 4 Albatross, Tout The Plane to Colombia
Posted 05-Jul-2006 05:09

Recently, L-159 manufacturer AERO Vodochody a.s. (AERO) signed a contract with the Czech Ministry of Defense to modify 4 of its operational L-159s into two-seat versions, to be delivered to the Czech Air Force (CzAF) during the year 2007. As AERO's release notes, this effort will demonstrate the Albatross' convertability into 2-seat versions that might be suitable for competitions like Israel's trainer RFP. Or for Forward Air Control (FAC) and attack missions by countries like Colombia, as combat experience demonstrates that a second pilot makes a big difference to an aircraft's ability to spot and prosecute fleeting targets in a FAC role.

"An L-159 pilot can prepare and operate this user-friendly aircraft himself with no ground support. The L-159 can take off from any prepared or unprepared airstrip, during the day or night, in any weather regardless of wet or dry, hot or cold, windy or calm. A glass cockpit, equipped as the latest generation of fighters, is protected by advanced armor, Head-Up and Multi-Function Displays or Hands-On-Throttle-and-Stick concept. This gives the pilot complete confidence to successfully complete any FAC mission required of him."

The release also stresses the plane's suitability for Colombia's "hot and high" conditions, and notes the advanced nature and quality of the aircraft's training and support system.

Even so, the Tucano's wider user and production base, and similar role as a dual trainer/ COIN aircraft that can use modern weapons, will make it a tough competitor. Given the L-159's status as a used aircraft and corresponding low price, however, who knows?

http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/2006/0...ombia/index.php

However, the converted L-159 is indeed up against tough competition:

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FLIR Systems has also completed a uniquely flexible installation design which will allow the Colombian Air Force (CAF) to install either its Star SAFIRE III multisensor thermal imaging system or its BRITE Star laser target designation system on the CAF’s Super Tucano aircraft with minimal effort and no platform modifications. This unprecedented level of interchangeability will allow the CAF’s Super Tucano to function as a truly multi-role aircraft. This installation design required the development of a number of cross-system technologies, including: quick-release turret mounting and alignment mechanisms; embedded aircraft cables to support Star 3 and BRITE Star systems; a single controller that could be used for both systems; and a common MIL-STD-1553 interface.

http://www.defenseworld.net/farnborough200...LIR_systems.htm

Overall, though, there is renewed interest in slower platforms thanks to recent events.



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i am still wondering why the PAF is not taking a closer look at those Czech L-159s. :armyroleyes:
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i forgot to add mura b ang czech aircraft with US technology updates?
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“As long as we are not willing to provide an adequate, suitable and capable defense for this country, we will be oppressed, demeaned and dishonored. We will be the stepping mat of every country in this region,”(Senate President Juan Ponce Enrile)

“Just because we are a very weak country militarily, we should not be taken advantage of by more powerful countries" (Senate committee on national defense and security chairman Panfilo Lacson)
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The L-159 is quite expensive but I think we go for the L-39's pero Elbit nga lng avionic suite nya. The Thai example is a good look. pero the PAF is now in the crossroads, we have no choice kailangan na natin gumastos talaga kung serious tayo na protektahan mga sarili natin
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As far as i could remember an American company was trying and would like to bring the L-39's in the Philippines but they were held in court. I dont know on what happen to that case(myself posted some of the news article and monitor the news about that incident). Those person are trying to make a good business in the country. Their wifes are Filipina and they know how the PAF is in need of new light attack planes. It was a good plane.

But its quite a good development a year ago but it never materialize. They are willing to sell those L-39's to the PAF but US court block the company with the rocket pads issue but the reality is that it was just a piece of junk materials that anyone can buy it online thru E-bay. Sensitivity issue but

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if you're going to ask me, i would prefer the L-159 or the L-39 albatross and install some western technology/parts like the engine, avionics, weapon system and sensors, i think it is a good investment for the AF, with 8 units for training purpose and 16 units for light attack and/or light air defence.

well, the cold war is over, that's why some eastern hardware can be combined with western technology, right? the question is: have the AFP/AF did do a feasibility study on this? maybe this is a good idea after all, right?

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There's no objection to that , L-159 is a modern LIFT jet. But the issue that we should and must be consider is the "financial capacity" of our beloved Armed Forces.

L-39 Albatros that they are selling also is a modified one. they already undergo a system upgrades. Why dont you take a look at Thailand as a similar pattern for being a money wise military goods purchaser. Be practical. L-39 spare are also widely available.

The problem of L-159 is the Czech government cannot guarantee already the survivability of this models. Even their air force find it hard to finance the modern LIFT jet. Even the Company had to fight for their own survival. If you try to scan some of the late threads it is said there that "Aero Vodochy" is already under rehabilitation process. Laying off thousands of employee as part of company's changing priority after the failure of L-159 sales.



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I AGREE!!! even the czech government cannot afford to have a large fleet of L-159s, i think they reduced the number of planes to 20 units only. if thats the case, then the L-39 is the better choice, in terms of economy...

... and yes it is a good platform as an immediate multi-role LCA.
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The L-159A and tandem seat B versions are good Light Attack Jet/Trainers but the Phil. A.F. would then have to buy both to be effective. The Philippine Armed Forces have publically stated in the past years that any aircraft they procure has to meet a cruical requirement. The aircraft in question is only operated by the parent nation that being the Czech Republic. The Phil. A. F. only wants to procure aircraft that are in current operational status with at least three different nations including the parent nation the aircraft is manufactured in period.

Instead of procuring obsolete tandem seat L-39Z ALBATROSS Light Attack Jet Trainers there are much better options such as new tandem seat, radar equipped AMX-Ts which have recently been bought by Venezula. Other good options to consider are ex. Royal New Zealand tandem seat MB-339C's which are Maverick ASM capable or newly built MB-339FD both the latter possess a 4,000-Lb weapon's loadout compared to the Albatross's 2,400-Lbs.

Tandem seat, radar equipped, highly UpGraded TA-4SU SUPER SKYHAWKS from surplus from Singapore's Air Force or even non-radar TA-4J SKYHAWKS from U.S. stocks would be a good investment.

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