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| Defiant 300 project as starting point; Defiant 300 as COIN and CAS plane | |
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| dstryer23 | Oct 16 2006, 09:40 PM Post #1 |
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I read an article about the defiant 300 w/c was developed by PADC and shut down by the estrada administration. Correct me if Im wrong the aircraft was a product of piecing together some parts from other aircraft and there was plan to give it a turbo prop engine. Since the airforce is looking for planes to augment and possibly replace the OV 10 bronco why not continue this project with the help of private corporation , PADC and the airforce so that we will have a locally made aircraft for COIN and CAS purposes. What do you think? |
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| possible | Oct 19 2006, 02:45 AM Post #2 |
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Ironically:
Another poor man's Tucano. Little detail is given but the pictures give a positive impression. The boxy appearance of the fuselage says that this plane is cheap to build (fewer curves mean less time and money spent bending sheet metal). Ditto the abbreviated canopy ala the Hawker Hurricane, saves on the weight and complexity of a wraparound bubble top like on the Tucano without sacrificing visibility in the context of ground attack missions (and the Hurricane was a mean CAS machine when not shooting down Nazi fighters). The proportionately large control surfaces hint at good maneuverability. The wing itself looks nice and fat meaning plenty of room for fuel plus rigidity for hanging bombs or pods. The cockpit blending with the spine all the way to the tail creates a lot of empty real estate which means another potential location for a large fuel tank. The meaty tires say STOL capability. Finally, the PT6 turboprop engine speaks performance, reliability, and ease of maintenance. The Defiant 300 is a different plane but it proves that a machine like the A-67 Dragon is doable with imagination, expertise, and support. |
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| el_ramon | Oct 19 2006, 03:15 AM Post #3 |
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yeah it looks like a tucano. actually the first thing that came to my mind was "Pilatus" due to the PT6 nose and its intake. but i think the pilatus, like pc-12 have better wings. wonder how much that bird should cost. the fuselage looks like it has boxes for formers hehe. maybe they should just arm the JPATS since its in volume production now,maybe that would be cheaper and more proven.just rambling. |
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| possible | Oct 19 2006, 12:05 PM Post #4 |
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You’re right, it does look like a PC-7. But to my eyes, the first thing it reminds me of is the PAF’s own SF.260. This baby however has a more powerful engine and appears to be a single-seater, maybe a local version can add wingtip fuel tanks like some SF.260s have to extend loiter time for COIN missions. The other thing it reminded me of, as far as the concept goes, is another Pilatus: the Turbo Porter. Back in the seventies they actually built not one but two versions of it for COIN operations as a sort of poor man’s gunship:
Well, the AU-23 and AU-24 are high wing monoplanes with a cabin and tailwheel, but they are still dedicated COIN a/c same as the A-67 claims to be, with the AH-1 Cobra’s 20mm Gatling to boot. I have no doubt that Filipinos can build these things locally if the PAF brass decides the benefits merits the investment. As far as the JPATS is concerned they already have a strike version of the T-6 available. The pic looks fantastic but so is the price: $6 million each. The A-67 looks to be a lot cheaper still. |
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| israeli | Oct 19 2006, 12:41 PM Post #5 |
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we have two "dead" projects that we could resurrect- the Defiant 300 and the Cali Pinto. i am wondering which between the two is more feasible as far as modernization and marketing are concerned. |
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| el_ramon | Oct 19 2006, 07:43 PM Post #6 |
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hehe $6m! wow. that would kill it. hehe israeli.. unfortunately Capt.Villaruel is no longer with us. that makes defiant 300's chance of getting any attention virtually zero. as for cali..well that is older.i think PAF has long lost its interest in it. i dont even know if anyone involved in it directly or indirectly is still alive today. i guess it's our generation now. there's a need,there's a market wanna offer something? (wonder how much a used PC-6 is goingnowadays:)) the only sad part of the equation is,we have the market and demand but no cash. |
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| possible | Oct 25 2006, 03:27 AM Post #7 |
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More on the A-67 Dragon:
Interesting. That extra real estate is actually meant for an internal weapons bay. The performance figures are impressive. Compare them to the usual suspects: OV-10 Bronco: 244kt max. speed 26,000-27,000ft service ceiling 1,633kg of stores Super Tucano: 300kt 35,000ft 1,500kg of stores My impression is that the manufacturer will accept licence-production (or even sell the design?) assuming $$$... Not enough details yet, but certainly worth keeping an eye on...
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| jammerjamesky | Oct 25 2006, 01:57 PM Post #8 |
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Very promising considering the payload capacity... |
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| City Hunter | Nov 1 2006, 02:53 PM Post #9 |
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One possible block to this idea would probably be the issue that this was initiated on an administration that many who are in power now oppose to. Di ba this was killed because it was linked to Ramos when Erap took office. Although there may still be a possibility considering officials nowadays label currently finished projects as theirs kahit hindi naman sila ang nagsimula at naghirap gawin. Madami pang dead projects maliban dito. Yun lang sa IST madami na which could've made answers to much of our aviation needs. Pati yun eruplano na kayang ordinary gasoline lang matagal na meron sa school ko. Yun mga kasama ko pa nga bumibili ng gasolina sa kanto when it was tested for possible flight during the anniversary. |
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| possible | Nov 5 2006, 08:46 AM Post #10 |
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The demise of the Defiant 300 is no hindrance to the idea of a locally-made A-67 Dragon or similar COIN a/c because as I said at the very beginning:
The Defiant 300 demonstrates that even though political support is lacking, the all-important skills and technical know-how do exist locally. |
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