Cadets should pay tuition in PMA

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Cadets should pay tuition in PMA
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 16 2006, 11:31 AM (7,568 Views)
Frenzy	Aug 16 2006, 11:31 AM Post #1
Member Posts: 1,251 Group: Regulars Member #78 Joined: August 11, 2004	this is not an original idea from me but from a friend, he proposed that to prevent PMA alumni from becoming crooks when they become high ranking officers, the cadets should pay for their schooling in the academy. the logic is most of the people who apply for PMA schooling belong to the lower classess who out of necessity want to enter the academy because of free education and guaranteed job after graduation, only a few actually enter out of patriotism and genuine intent of becoming a low-paid officer, so when they become colonels and generals they commit graft and corruption so they can become rich quickly and escape the poverty of their childhood. if the PMA is no longer free, then only those students with genuine interest in becoming a military officer really want to enroll.



saver111	Aug 16 2006, 12:14 PM Post #2
PDFF Moderator Posts: 10,627 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #408 Joined: March 23, 2005	Once you pay your own tuition fee then you have the right to go where you wanted to go after graduation. Just like those taking up med school, engineering, nursing, IT etc. on private schools. Mostly going abroad or demands high pay to recover from the investment they made for schooling. You could no longer demand from its graduates to do the 8 years mandatory service to gov't. Better ask those activists in U.P. and other gov't schools to pay theirs for wasting the peoples money and taking the slot of those most in need of education and willing to serve the country.
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el_commandante	Aug 16 2006, 01:38 PM Post #3
Member Posts: 471 Group: Regulars Member #278 Joined: January 4, 2005	The parents would rather send their children to nursing school than to the PMA. The government should encourage young men and women who belong to the upper class of our society, (meaning the aristocrats, or spoiled brat people born with silver spoon or is it gold?) to enter the PMA. Of course there must be a quota for this, otherwise the PMA would end up like U.P. or like the German military before WWII where the officer corps were dominated by the aristocrats. In Israel and Australia, they have no military academy and yet their officers are very competent and professionals.



Wardog	Aug 16 2006, 01:52 PM Post #4
'waggin my tail :-) Posts: 466 Group: Regulars Member #524 Joined: August 16, 2005	Israel and Australia are comparatively well-off countries, so most officers have no more motivation to garner illegal wealth. I think there should be research done on the AFP officers involved in corruption, what percentage belonged to the lower class before they entered PMA? If the result is significant then there's some logic in Frenzy's (or his friends's) proposition. If ever, the tuition should not be as high as those of Ateneo or La Salle, should be similar to those charged by SUCs.
	Anyone who comes to a counter-insurgency thinking it`s about killing terrorists is missing the boat. It`s really about winning the people. You can kill all the terrorists but then you`ve pissed people off and created 100 more. -Col. Bradley Becker


valiant	Aug 16 2006, 02:26 PM Post #5
Member Posts: 465 Group: Regulars Member #412 Joined: March 26, 2005	im amenable to requiring the cadetas to pay tuition, kahit token lang, to give them a sense of obligation, to make them realize that not everything is free.



maldita	Aug 16 2006, 07:03 PM Post #6
Member Posts: 329 Group: Regulars Member #697 Joined: April 12, 2006	lahat ng sundalo -- active, retired, reserve -- na mapaptunayan na may ginawang anomalya sa pamahalaan magbayad sa PMA ng buong matricula nila na ginugol sa pagpapaaral sa kanila noong kadete pa sila...kung anong halaga ng matriculation when they were cadets that's the same amount they should give back to government...napakaraming sundalong nag-aral sa PMA na umupo, nakaupo at uupo na sangkot sa mga bagay na taliwas sa "do not lie, do not steal, do not cheat nor tolerate those who do"...basta mistah tama kahit mali...minsan naman mistah nga tinatabla...look at lacson and matillano...madalas pati mga asawa at girlfriend sinusulot...nakakarimarim kahit isipin pa lang...pag kadete iisipin mo "closer than brothers" ika nga ni alfred mccoy...pag labas na ng PMA nagsisiraan, nag-iinggitan, nagsasapakan, nagsusulutan...may kaibigan akong '81 nasa amerika na, pag tinatanong kung saan siya nag-kolehiyo hindi niya sinasabing PMA...he says some other school's name...he told me he was once at a party -- this was after general garcia was the headline in all the local newspapers -- and he was asked where he went for his college degree and when he said "philippine military academy" sabi sa kanya nung kano, "i thought it was philippine millionaires' academy"...my friend said "hindi ko naman masapak kasi ang nanguna sa akin was this sense of shame na kaeskwela ko si general garcia"...siguro kung lahat ng PMAers na napatunayang may ginawang anomalysa sa pamahalaan ay magbabayad ng ipinagpaaral sa kanila sa pamamagitan ng buwis ng sambayanang pilipino magkakaroon naman kahit papaano ng laman ang kaban ng ating republika...yung mga nakaupo ngayon, suriin din sana ang mga personal na records...marami akong alam na sundalo ang pagpapakilala sa mga sarili nila samantalang kung anu-ano ang pinaggagagawa...andyan ang magbabad sa casino filipino dyan sa may NAIA...andyan ang mag security aide sa pulitiko at taga-"procure" ng mga babae na "pangregalo" sa mga iba pang pulitiko...andyan ang mag networking ng mga health wellness products at binebentahan yung mga subordinates gaya ng crew sa barko kung saan siya ang CO...huwag kayong magtaka kung bakit maraming PMAers na mayaman...not that being rich is a crime...but a rich soldier? maari kung anak ka ng may kaya naman talaga sa buhay...dentista tatay mo, social worker nanay mo, lieutenant colonel ka, lima pinaaaral mo sa ateneo at miriam, may bahay ka sa alabang, paano nangyari iyun?...naalala ko yung eksena sa senado ni sen. joker arroyo at ni former general and chief of staff angelo reyes...tinanong ni sen. arroyo si gen. reyes kung paano siya nagkaroon ng halagang P10 million para ipagpagawa ng marangyang bahay...sagot ni gen. reyes "inipon ko po your honor ang sweldo ko simula pa noong kadete ako"...you should have seen sen. arroyo's face...he told gen. reyes, "let's assume that what you said is true, then i can safely say that from that time you were a cadet at the PMA up to the time you retired, you did not spend a single centavo for food, clothing, toiletries, dates, etc. kasi yun lang ang rational na maaring gawin sa pag-iipon ng lahat ng perang iyun"...hehehehehehehehehehehehe!



jedi knight	Aug 17 2006, 08:08 AM Post #7
Member Posts: 515 Group: Regulars Member #618 Joined: December 6, 2005	There's an old PMA joke na ang unang nabubura sa bullring ay "Integrity" (remember the PMA motto of Courage, Integrity, Loyalty). Tama, when they are still in the Academy, they are closer than brothers, pero pag labas iba na, they sacrificed some of their ideals. Closer than Brothers by Alfred McCoy gives as a good insight of military socialization.



Fmr TOPP Awardee 82'PNP	Aug 18 2006, 07:18 AM Post #8
PDFF Moderator Posts: 5,008 Group: PDFF Mod Group Member #283 Joined: January 7, 2005	Frenzy Aug 16 2006, 11:31 AM this is not an original idea from me but from a friend, he proposed that to prevent PMA alumni from becoming crooks when they become high ranking officers, the cadets should pay for their schooling in the academy. the logic is most of the people who apply for PMA schooling belong to the lower classess who out of necessity want to enter the academy because of free education and guaranteed job after graduation, only a few actually enter out of patriotism and genuine intent of becoming a low-paid officer, so when they become colonels and generals they commit graft and corruption so they can become rich quickly and escape the poverty of their childhood. if the PMA is no longer free, then only those students with genuine interest in becoming a military officer really want to enroll. It makes no difference between products of paid and free education in general. When they emerge from any prestigious or from a low class institution to serve the public and the private sector, they can still be fraternized with the compartmentalized society and corrupt system. Most even likely that some will seek instant recovery of what they have spent for their education.
	*"GUILTY CONSCIENCE NEEDS NO ACCUSER"*


ctrlaltdel	Oct 16 2006, 02:56 PM Post #9
Member Posts: 399 Group: Regulars Member #151 Joined: October 3, 2004	No one will enrol if tuition fees will be instituted, 99% of the cadets go there because of the free education and stipend, not because they are patriotic.



desertranger	Oct 16 2006, 04:03 PM Post #10
Member Posts: 488 Group: Regulars Member #1,136 Joined: September 25, 2006	I would have an opposite view. #1, The cadets shouldn't have to pay for their tuition. They will incur military service obligation.. #2. The young officer's have vision and a sense of loyalty which is corruptive once they leave the academy and enter the real world of hard knocks. They see themselves as minorities when faced with greedy shady and corrupt superiors. They begin to see their peers get promoted ahead of them and slowly change in order to survive. Most get married soon after graduation and have responsibilities. Deep down they want to be loyal and patriotic though. Thats just my opinion. The system needs to change first.
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