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PN: 25 years from now...
Topic Started: Jul 15 2004, 10:12 AM (5,686 Views)
el_ramon
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it's expensive i know , in a 3rd world country 'interim' solutions tend to end up as the 'long term solution' thats why my post even in the airforce section tend to be a little steep.if were going to invest, guess its best to invest well.

my reasoning is,if we as a nation would borrow money to 'upgrade' our machines in 2020 then, that dynasaurs will remain in-service till errr 2060??
i'd rather see RP borrow larger sum to use a more useful/economical machines for the coming decades. either way we are bound to borrow (again) money.

the Meko D has no reported cost yet(still a concept) but the denmark boat,
i have no idea that boat would that expensive (ECU 4Bn?? each?).
not to disagree with you but for the sake of discussion, the general price range of a frigate are less than half a billion in almighty dollar to 800mn.any higher, it may well be a destroyer or 10000+ ton cruiser.

the submarine is the most highest piece of collateral in any military organization,not just in their respective navy.so i wouldnt be surprised if it is indeed that expensive.i dont even think that 214 class is presently exported by its maker Germany(im not sure in this,correct me if im wrong)but who knows by 2020 they might?so maybe if heaven would be kind to us?

the rest well.. atleast the CG have something to live for :) .
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well? who knows? maybe in 25 years' time, the PN could already afford having those high-tech stuff, right? :armywink:

also, i do not think the MEKO design and its contemporaries will not be obsolete in 25 years' time. instead, i see those designs being modified to be updated with the flow of time.

however, i would really want to see the PN employ more multi-role vessels. multi-role vessels such as the Flyvefisken will help the Navy save much needed money.
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I meant the German sub...It costs €4Bn each... not the frigates :P
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in my view, 25 yrs for now for the PN?...

how's about this? modest but yet with a heavier punch (i hope...)


4x Multirole Corvettes (semi stealth in design)
- 1x light ASW helo equipped with limited hangar facilties
- 2x triple torp tubes
- 1x 76mm DP gun
- 16x VLS SAMs
- 4x SSMs
- 1x 20mm CIWS

4x Missile/Multirole OPVs
- 1x light helo with hangar
- 2x triple torp tubes
- 1x 76mm DP gun
- 2x SSMs
- 1x 20mm CIWS

3x upgraded Jacinto/Peacock class OPVs

3x Multirole vessels (MRVs)

6x OPVs
- 1x helo with hangar
- 1x 76mm DP gun
- 1x twin 20mm or CIWS

3x OPVs
- 1x helo with hangar
- 1x 100mm DP gun
- 1x twin 20mm or CIWS

12x IPVs or larger FPBs

12x upgraded Cyclone class FPBs or equivalent

36x upgraded Fremantle class FPBs or equivalent

4x SSKs (agosta 90B class or equivalent)
- 4 tubes / 12 torps

1x trng SSK

1x trng OPV

1x trng FPB

6x Mine Counuter Measure Vessels (MCMVs) / survey ships
- mine hunter/mine sweeper capable
- 40 mm gun
- 20-30 mines

6x Jason class LSTs

6x LSVs

1x upgraded endurance class LHD/LST

1x sub tender/rescue ship

1x hospital/disaster relief/logistci ship

= various LVUs, LCMs, tenders, tugs, support, replenish ships

12x light MR aircraft

8x ASW helos (Bo-105)

12x AB-212 utility/SAR helos


... still hoping for this kind of navy for the philippines...
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not bad dude. but i think we should keep and maintain atleast 3 squadrons of missile boats.

granted that our government has increase our military budget in 25 yrs, its easier for us to buy some additional high-speed gunboats while maintaining and upgrading our old gunboats and armed them with new engines, sophisticated radars, and various missiles.

what do u think? :rifle: :armycheers:
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I suggest that PN should keep and maintain 3 fleets across our archipelago in a 25 yrs short-term modernization plan. So ideally we should invest more on smaller missile boats then comes those larger OPVs such as destroyers, frigates, and missile corvettes. Here are the numbers as follows:

3 NAVAL FLEETS:
Luzon Task Force Naval Fleet (main fleet)
Visayas Task Force Naval Fleet
Mindanao Task Force Naval Fleet

Each fleet has to be armed with:
12x missile boats
8x gunboats
2x minesweepers

6x destroyers
4x missile corvettes
3x AEGIS cruisers/frigates
3x submarines
3x LST for marines
3x LCAC for marines
2x multi-role vessels
1x hospital ship

Finally, our main fleet should be armed with:

1 aircraft-carrier (24-36 fighters)
1 HAS
3 (maybe a philippine designed and built with swedish tech) battleship-missile cruisers armed with 2 gunships, stealth and ASW capabilities

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spearhead
Aug 23 2006, 10:43 PM
not bad dude. but i think we should keep and maintain atleast 3 squadrons of missile boats.

granted that our government has increase our military budget in 25 yrs, its easier for us to buy some additional high-speed gunboats while maintaining and upgrading our old gunboats and armed them with new engines, sophisticated radars, and various missiles.

what do u think? :rifle: :armycheers:

can be... actually sir spearhead my list can be divided into 3 groups/fleet (for larger ships), and numerous small squadrons for smaller vessels.

missile boats.. can be also if our economy withn 25 years is very good, actually i'm thinking twice if it is wise to include 4x SSKs and 1x trng sub in my list because they are too expensive to operate and to train its operators/occupants, or i may be wrong...

i also forgot include the ffg:

8x to 12x catamaran-type logistic/landing/vehicle-carrier vessels (see other thread on this topic)

land-based radars and comms and base defence

comments...
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yup, modified catamaran ships can be an ideal replacement for our LSTs. :fire: :patrioticpinoy:
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Aug 23 2006, 05:08 PM
3 NAVAL FLEETS:
Luzon Task Force Naval Fleet (main fleet)
Visayas Task Force Naval Fleet
Mindanao Task Force Naval Fleet

Why reorganize into three fleets? What's wrong with the current force commands for specific areas?
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Aug 25 2006, 01:41 AM
spearhead
Aug 23 2006, 05:08 PM
3 NAVAL FLEETS:
Luzon Task Force Naval Fleet (main fleet)
Visayas Task Force Naval Fleet
Mindanao Task Force Naval Fleet

Why reorganize into three fleets? What's wrong with the current force commands for specific areas?

the current one is too complicated, too much departments. why do we have to split up central and west naval fleets? those 2 fleets should be merged instead. although for now, since we do not have enough warships, its ok.

so granted when the day comes when we acquire enough numbers of sophisticated warships, then we should downsize the fleets to 3. :thumb:
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