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Philippine Predator (with pix)
Topic Started: Aug 13 2006, 07:14 PM (4,785 Views)
el_ramon
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i think you are reffering the hellfire equiped predator. its a pretty kit.
but theres a problem..
hellfire cost somewhere from $25thou to $100+thou a piece
depending on the version(or where you read the info :)).
the US army's apaches hellfire reportedly cost around $85000 each.that's roughly Php4.5million each pop! @53pesos/almighty dollar exchange rate.
that's a lot to shoot a suspected moro-moro/npa target!

men, like wasting an elementary school every push of a button.
its hard to make things work at our situation.


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well rather than saying sorry we lose the war of ABU SYAFF. :specool:
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DAR, the UAV is not really good at pinpointing ASG terrs who usually operate under forest cover, not unless a HUMINT is at the immediate vicinity and guides the UAV's weapons to the target.

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If hellfire is expensive then use instead a hyra rocket, it is lighter and cheaper, this is assuming that it can be done. :thumb:
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Aug 18 2006, 01:09 PM
DAR, the UAV is not really good at pinpointing ASG terrs who usually operate under forest cover, not unless a HUMINT is at the immediate vicinity and guides the UAV's weapons to the target.

Actually, searching for CT's at night and under forest cover is easier. Remember, the main sensor is Imaging Infra red - body heat stands out at night, even under cover, which makes it harder to hide.

That's why the PAF is looking to invest in night vision technology using imaging infra red and LLTV - it takes away the ability to hide at night.
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Of course IR systems in UAVs and manned AC can detect people at night and under forest cover, the problem is the UAV cannot positively ID on ITS own the identity and affiliation (civilian, military, bad guys) of those people.

Case in point: a US UAV in Mindanao whose IR camera spotted what looked like a squad of men with rifles and launchers moving at night, when SF operators where called in to the area, they found out that one of the rifles was an airgun, the others bamboo poles and the launchers where tree limbs. They were farmers on their way home after along and grueling day at their 'kaingin' plots.

Now imagine if DAR's scenario actually happened to the above real situation:

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If they want procure a PREDATOR, they must choose the armed one with missiles on it. In that way when they see the ABU SAYAFF, they can eliminate on it on sight, in that we reduce casuality on our side and kill the terrorist with NO PROBLEM.
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Wasn't it procured or leased for "maritime aerial reconnaissance and surveillance"?

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thanks for the link saver,

so we all agree that,that uav (on the pic) is indeed ours?

at 5m heh proves even now USA favors us (rent or acquisition,that was 'economical').
see,we can get a lot more to USA if we asked and pay hehe and not just annoy them for donations.

i think this was the unit they use to form a recon/blockade on the islands during the height of that abu sayyaf bruhaha, right?

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Nope. Hate to spoonfeed, but what the heck.

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Aug 16 2006, 12:17 PM

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The U.S. military used several unmanned spy aircraft such as this GNAT Aerial Reconnaissance Vehicle to help the Philippine military hunt down Islamist extremist guerrillas on the Philippine island of Basilan in 2002.
AP/WIDE WORLD PHOTOS.


Numbers: Reconnaissance is not a single-stage or single-platform affair. A UAV or other sensor platform is for detection of potential threats, the Mk1 Eyeball is for identification or confirmation. An aircraft is necessary because the human eye cannot see through dense jungle, nor can a human soldier cover an area of hundreds of kilometers in a matter of hours. You need both.

Posers who use the example you gave as an argument against UAVs are just that, ignorant posers.


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Aug 18 2006, 02:11 PM
Of course IR systems in UAVs and manned AC can detect people at night and under forest cover, the problem is the UAV cannot positively ID on ITS own the identity and affiliation (civilian, military, bad guys) of those people.

Case in point: a US UAV in Mindanao whose IR camera spotted what looked like a squad of men with rifles and launchers moving at night, when SF operators where called in to the area, they found out that one of the rifles was an airgun, the others bamboo poles and the launchers where tree limbs. They were farmers on their way home after along and grueling day at their 'kaingin' plots.

Now imagine if DAR's scenario actually happened to the above real situation:

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If they want procure a PREDATOR, they must choose the armed one with missiles on it. In that way when they see the ABU SAYAFF, they can eliminate on it on sight, in that we reduce casuality on our side and kill the terrorist with NO PROBLEM.

Good point.

Ideally, you need to confirm who those blobs on the screen turn out to be. In most cases, as Possible pointed out, you do need troops on the ground to back up the electronic information. Unless the opposition is dumb enough to shoot at the recon aircraft, in which case you have all the confirmation you need.

The AFP in general does not designate free fire zones at least as far as aircraft ops and artillery ops goes but some exceptions have been made. So UAVs shooting at blobs on the screen is not something we will do so armed UAVs are less useful in the Philippine context. The last thing the AFP wants is to kill an innocent civilian.

UAVs would be a purely reconnaisance asset to find where the bad guys are - fixing and killing would be done by someone or something else.
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